Agreed. In these situations, it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission.
Is it legal to set up cones in an empty parking lot to practise ?
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Agreed. In these situations, it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission.
sid_for_speed
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did it...not bad was able to practice...may come to tht site frm now on...lets see what happens...thnx all!
I would care if I owned the property. If some guys sets up and starts stunting and smashes his melon, the family will sue the parking lot owner, and he would be liable. Those are the laws in Ontario.
Even without permission, the property owner is liable unless he has a locked gate on the lot.
GateKeeper
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I guess we can sue any HomeDepot, Lowes, Square One, or any other plaza if we fall and hurt ourselves, none of them have locked gates around their property.....I don't think so.....
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Those places are open 7 days a week for business, and if something happened that was negligence on the part of the business, you certainly can sue. Putting up those "we are not responsible..." signs means nothing.
I have experience with this in the past with kart racing. There are no more parking lot kart races because of the insurance costs and liability concerns.
If some guy is stunting around a lot and he loses control and the bike hits another person walking through the lot, they will sue the bike owner and the store owners.
Case in point: in the 80s, there used to be a bicycle race at Yorkdale on sunday (before they opened sundays), very popular, thousands would show up to race and watch. One year, a lady in a Cadillac drove into the middle of the race and put several riders in the hospital- she sued Yorkdale successfully.
After that, no more parking lot events off-hours.
You laugh, but I know for a fact that it has happened...
A lot of new malls putting up signs prohibiting driver training cars training their students on how to park...
hence the the reason why u are supposed to ask for permission. If the landlord or person in charge says yes (more than likely not), if they do so, they are technically more so liable for what activities they are allowing on their property. Not entering their property for the intended purpose ie shopping, taking the go train, etc.
how would you like it if some kid without your permission set up cones in your front yard and started zipping around on your grass and driveway on his 4 wheel Barbie power wheel? Keep in mind most parking lots have cement pillars and hard curbs, uncontrolled vehicular and pedestrian traffic....
A lot of new malls putting up signs prohibiting driver training cars training their students on how to park...
hence the the reason why u are supposed to ask for permission. If the landlord or person in charge says yes (more than likely not), if they do so, they are technically more so liable for what activities they are allowing on their property. Not entering their property for the intended purpose ie shopping, taking the go train, etc.
how would you like it if some kid without your permission set up cones in your front yard and started zipping around on your grass and driveway on his 4 wheel Barbie power wheel? Keep in mind most parking lots have cement pillars and hard curbs, uncontrolled vehicular and pedestrian traffic....
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GateKeeper
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sure they are open 7 days a week, but they do not run 24 hours a day, there are times there is no one in the lot, Sundays after 9 for most HomeDepot stores and the like, OP was not saying to go there at 2 in the afternoon on a Saturday, but early morning hours and after hours late in the evening......but if he takes a spill, I would really like to see how he is going to sue anyone for his misfortune.....Firstly it's private property, you shouldn't even be on it without owners consent when there is no active business being conducted, if anything you can be charged for trespassing
Gate keeper. If someone slips and falls on your property, ie house. I can guarintee you they can sue you. Some will (whether or not it's snow, leaves, unexpected unevenness in your grass in the front yard, etc).. Anyone can sue anyone in this great country of canada. And believe me you are liable for others on YOUR property. They may not get much or anything at all, but it's still the headache .
the bigger issue is trespassing ..... See my post above. Parking lot is there for you to park and give them business. Not for some hooligans to practice wheelies and stoppies. And if they do allow it, well it's their problem.
for a lot, it's risk management.
the bigger issue is trespassing ..... See my post above. Parking lot is there for you to park and give them business. Not for some hooligans to practice wheelies and stoppies. And if they do allow it, well it's their problem.
for a lot, it's risk management.
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GateKeeper
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ohhh if it was only that easy....
why not just walk on the sidewalk, fall and sue the City....
Yup anyone can sue, question will you win and gain anything out of it.....
I think your confusing us Canadians with the USA, over there everyone sues everyone for just about anything......
why not just walk on the sidewalk, fall and sue the City....
Yup anyone can sue, question will you win and gain anything out of it.....
I think your confusing us Canadians with the USA, over there everyone sues everyone for just about anything......
sid_for_speed
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I did set up cones but my intention was to go around in circles...no wheelies or stoppies were performed...stock exhaust on ninja 300..no noise...always gave ppl right of way...an yes I was worried about tresspassing but I did not see any signs so I just did what I had to do and carried on...
Yes you are right. How much will they get for it... But you as a property owner, how much would you have to pay to hire a lawyer to make sure you don't get hosed? Stress, etc... Look at the bigger picture here...
canadians with the USA. We are just like them, just 5-10 years behind with stiffer gun laws....
My dad, who was a lawyer, once told me of a case where, one winter, a guy broke a window of an elderly woman's home while she was not there, climbed into the house and started carrying stuff out of the house. On one load, he slipped on some ice and broke his arm (I think that was it. Was a long time ago). He successfully sued the old lady for not keeping the ice cleared on her property.
I'm sure the laws have changed somewhat since this took place but it goes to illustrate that you are not automatically covered just because you are in the right.
Ask the owners permission first and then be careful not to damage anything or get hurt.
Just my $0.02 worth.
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I'm sure the laws have changed somewhat since this took place but it goes to illustrate that you are not automatically covered just because you are in the right.
Ask the owners permission first and then be careful not to damage anything or get hurt.
Just my $0.02 worth.
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HELLBOY
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I would heed this advice strictly on the basis of the subject matter being about setting up cones and your name being 'pylonn'.
This is a dead thread I know but I wanted to bring it up anyway..... if you just went to a lot and set up cones, and began doing your maneuvers (ie practicing tight turns or abrupt stops) the police wouldn't be able to give you a dangerous driving ticket, Because you were not dangerously operating your vehicle. (Now I say this but cops CAN do anything they WANT to do, because no one is around to stop them and your a sumbag citizen compared to them when your on the street) WORST case scenario (assuming you dont get a high and mighty cop who trys a ******** dangerous operation ticket) a cop comes into the lot, approches you, asks you what your doing, checks all your paperwork ext, and tells you to clean up and leave and hands you a trespassing ticket.
Im confident enough to say that wont happen. ever. you may get asked to leave, but you wouldn't be ticketed unless you were being a cock hole to the officer.
Yes the lot owner is liable if you get hurt, 100% weather you have permission, a waver, ext in the end if you get hurt you could sue him. It dosent matter that you "would never do that" the fact remains you CAN, and no smart business person is going to allow that liability just so you can turn comfortably........
that all being said, if you start lifting up the back wheel while practicing your emergency breaking, You run the risk of a dangerous opperation ticket.
The bottom line here... Just go do it. You dont intend on doing it when other peoples vehicles are in the lot, your doing it when its empty. your not being malicious. just chill out and do it.
Im confident enough to say that wont happen. ever. you may get asked to leave, but you wouldn't be ticketed unless you were being a cock hole to the officer.
Yes the lot owner is liable if you get hurt, 100% weather you have permission, a waver, ext in the end if you get hurt you could sue him. It dosent matter that you "would never do that" the fact remains you CAN, and no smart business person is going to allow that liability just so you can turn comfortably........
that all being said, if you start lifting up the back wheel while practicing your emergency breaking, You run the risk of a dangerous opperation ticket.
The bottom line here... Just go do it. You dont intend on doing it when other peoples vehicles are in the lot, your doing it when its empty. your not being malicious. just chill out and do it.
Well said, well said.
Whatever happened to my generation that were kids in the 70s when we did whatever we wanted and to hell with the rules? Yeah we got hurt or into trouble but we're still around to remember. Today I'm living in a world surrounded by hand-wringers and worry-warts.
