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[油井緋色]

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Amount of time doing something != improved efficiency/mastery of the subject/art/whatever. If you spend 10000 hours doing something wrong, you've perfected doing that something wrong. I'm a better rider than I am driver because I took the time to take courses, read books, and practice techniques applicable to riding. I have much more mileage on the car than I do bike though.

It all goes down to effective time spent.

 

[slogan]

Considering a weather. which allows more or less only 6 or 7 months of rideing along with unreal high insurance cost in Ontario is it even worth to have a motorcycle hobby. Every ones opinion is welcome.

That's completely wrong statement. Looks more like SELF-EXCUSE.

 

[unL33T]

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Amount of time doing something != improved efficiency/mastery of the subject/art/whatever. If you spend 10000 hours doing something wrong, you've perfected doing that something wrong. I'm a better rider than I am driver because I took the time to take courses, read books, and practice techniques applicable to riding. I have much more mileage on the car than I do bike though.

It all goes down to effective time spent.

Fair enough. I've spent far more time learning to push the limits of a car than my bike, though. Less likely hood of destroying something. If I mess up on my bike and fall over I'm looking at a ~$400 repair bill even for a minor drop for new plastics and handlebars. In a car you just spin out unless you're fooling around in a place you really shouldn't be (in traffic, for example). I've also taken several driving courses including skid control school. Haven't had a chance to take advantage of any riding courses, yet, besides M1 and M2 exit classes. M2 exit was fairly useless for anything beyond upgrading to an M license, though, and M1 exit is just a good introduction. I gotta get some better lessons under my belt.

 

[El Cockblock]

Yes it is fun and I do ride a 600 ss but may be because of lack of skills or courage I think I am lot better at driving my 1.8 4 cyl car and I suspect, that to be the case with majority of motorcyclists in general and on this forum. That was the point I was trying to make.

And lot's of people on this forum wear big-boy pants and know how to properly ride their bike. Maybe your original post should read "I'm scared and can't ride for sh*t so what should I do?" It's really quite simple: take some riding lessons (you ride an SS which is a terrible decision if you don't have decent skills already so consider a track school) and once you actually have some decent riding skills you'll get some courage from it. Or leave your balls up on the mantle, sell your bike, and be content in the safety of your cage. You're welcome.

Well, if I may side with Hardwrkr:

Even though I rode a few bikes in my younger years and acquired some knowledge, I definitely lost that over time.

I purchased a bike fairly recently (technically considered my fist bike) and put myself through the fear that comes with sitting on a powerful machine and took, from the basic M1-M2 courses, to more advanced ones (Lee Parks School) and increased my skill set and overcome the fear.

I still have a whole lot to learn, but I think I'm on the right track (no pun intended) and will continue to take courses and push myself to the level I want to be.

GTAM has a bunch of members than can give good advice, bad advice, or probably get you in trouble. It's your decision which ones you want to side with and the common sense to know how to differentiate them.

Like I said before, is it for everybody? Probably not.

Is it an expensive hobby? Probably is.

Is it fun and worth it? Hell. Effing. Yeah.

 

[Type17]

I'm starting to think OP doesn't really want to ride and is just looking for confirmation. He seems to already know what the risks and costs are and is obviously not cool with it.

 

[mimico_polak]

I'm starting to think OP doesn't really want to ride and is just looking for confirmation. He seems to already know what the risks and costs are and is obviously not cool with it.

Or OP is bored and wants to have some fun with members getting their emotions up!

OP of course this hobby doesn't make sense in certain ways....most hobbies don't make practical sense. It's money wasted on things that are not necessary. I bought a bike with the intention of saving fuel...and I did over the car I was driving at the time (enough to pay for payment, gas, and insurance on the bike monthly) however now it is all about the enjoyment.

Life is too short...find what you like doing and what brings you joy...and do it. Better to say "damn that was fun" than "damn I wish I did this and that" when you're old and looking back at your life.

 

[twinswin]

If we have to explain, you won't understand.

 

[evang]

Considering a weather. which allows more or less only 6 or 7 months of rideing along with unreal high insurance cost in Ontario is it even worth to have a motorcycle hobby. Every ones opinion is welcome.

6 or 7 months? I ride a good 8 months of the year and I don't even have proper cold weather gear.

If you have a car and add the bike to the same policy, then the cost of insurance is actually quite reasonable. Unless you're young, then you're f--ked.

 

[rye]

You've failed at reading comprehension on numerous areas/levels. I've been riding motorcycles for 32 years now btw. You started a thread on an open forum and didn't want a debate? That's funny. You think it's insulting to be shown what your own words typed out actually mean? That's funny as well.
You're questioning if riding is worth it because you lack skills and courage? Well EVERYONE was scared when they started out, some wussed out and went back to cages, while others took it upon themselves to learn some skills so that their fears went away. Pick a direction, but know that even if you hear 1000:1 replies telling you that riding is worth it, it's not going to give you any courage.

That's a pretty good answer actually. I can't really understand why anyone would ask what the OP did on this forum anyway... I guess there are no stupid questions, just stupid people.

 

[drumstyx]

When I began street riding, it wasn't like this....and I was young, single, and 100% committed to the riding. Very little interfered with riding a Shadow500 when I was 16. By the time I was 17, I was riding an 89 CBR600 in 1991, and insurance was $480/yr, full coverage in my own name. It was easier back then....motorcycle ownership was more popular in general and a much higher percentage of people you knew had a bike.

So what's changed in the insurance industry since then? Benefits are *down*, and rates are up 600+%, and that's AFTER accounting for inflation. How it's remotely acceptable, I have no idea.

 

[drumstyx]

The way I think is that insurance companies don't make a lot of profit from motorcycle policies, meaning what I am paying more or less is quite fair. I once heard some insurers actually lose money doing motorcycle policy as a way for them to lure in the auto policies. Coverage in ON is the best among this continent and one of the best around the world. If you compare it to other places where premiums are cheaper, they don't get the same coverage as us. I am not supporting the high premium in any way, I would like to have a cheaper (preferably 75% off current rate) premium, but life is so short, if you can afford it why not try it out.

Take a look at a quote with equivalent coverage *anywhere* in the USA, it's often up to 90% less than here.

 

[油井緋色]

Take a look at a quote with equivalent coverage *anywhere* in the USA, it's often up to 90% less than here.

I think the first problem is letting M1 riders ride a Hayabusa.

 

[Roomie]

I think the first problem is letting M1 riders ride a Hayabusa.

Second problem is insurance should be based on you. Not you and the 2 million other idiots on the road.

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[RedDogDarren]

"Bird watching is not a sport."

It is if you're watching them from a blind with a 12 gauge.

Any joker can pull a trigger. How is that a sport? You want to insist hunting is a sport? Hunt a grown bear with a knife.

 

[RedDogDarren]

Yes it is fun and I do ride a 600 ss but may be because of lack of skills or courage I think I am lot better at driving my 1.8 4 cyl car and I suspect, that to be the case with majority of motorcyclists in general and on this forum. That was the point I was trying to make.

Luckily I have always had something powerful between my legs so any fear is always in an onlookers eyes when they gaze upon my equipment. My proficiency with it is truly awe inspiring as well. You obviously have not been so lucky to always have had such power and ability as I (of course I am talking about my ride). That's okay, the world needs it's Mister Bean types too. We cannot all be Alpha, so don't get so depressed that you think of ending it all. Remember that Jesus loves you.

Have you considered bumper cars for your excitement?

 

[RockerGuy]

Not to everyone. If you don't think it's worth it, don't ride.

For example, some people love riding horses. I think it's a silly, uncomfortable, dangerous, expensive, and dirty hobby and that they are stupid animals that should be used for food instead. But that's just me. Others spend all their money on it.

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I'm deeply offended by this. I'm no expert but horses appear to be very intelligent creatures. I rode a couple & had a chance to examine them, if I'm not mistaken, then even appear smarter than dogs

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[cycling]

I'm deeply offended by this. I'm no expert but horses appear to be very intelligent creatures. I rode a couple & had a chance to examine them, if I'm not mistaken, then even appear smarter than dogs

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My Niece has 5 horses, 4 dogs and a few other animals.
You are correct, horses are intelligent animals and they blend very well with her dogs.
Dare I say also smarter than some people. Not to say also smarter than some posters out here. Lol.
Not including you.
Some of your post are very clever and not everybody gets your sense of humour.
Keep it up. lol.
Thanks.

 

[Bruin]

Horse brains are rather small

[h=2]A first most obvious manner of comparison would be the ratio of body weight to brain weight. Using Cuvier's fraction E/S (where E=brain weight and S= body weight), we find the following ratios:

Species	E/S ratio	Species	E/S ratio
small birds	1/12	lion	1/550
human	1/40	elephant	1/560
mouse	1/40	horse	1/600
cat	1/100	shark	1/2496
dog	1/125	hippopotamus	1/2789
frog	1/172	(Kuhlenbeck, 735)

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[msatrakkoic]

Horse brains are rather small

A first most obvious manner of comparison would be the ratio of body weight to brain weight. Using Cuvier's fraction E/S (where E=brain weight and S= body weight), we find the following ratios:

Species	E/S ratio	Species	E/S ratio
small birds	1/12	lion	1/550
human	1/40	elephant	1/560
mouse	1/40	horse	1/600
cat	1/100	shark	1/2496
dog	1/125	hippopotamus	1/2789
frog	1/172	(Kuhlenbeck, 735)

what are they comparing in the article... because I doubt its intelligence

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