Panel suggests 10 cent per liter gas hike to fund transit.

Motorcycle Mike

Motorcycle Mike

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Absolutely against it....

When HST kicked in and gas was taxed at 13% vs 8%, they already effectively gave themselves a 5% raise in tax, which at 1.30C is 6.5c. Did the roads and infrastructure improve, did the extra revenue go towards Transit? No! In fact, Ontario pays a lot more in fuel tax that gets dumped into "general revenue" coffers than it pays back on infrastructure and improvements.

That extra 10c increase, would mean SFA as it would get funneled to general revenue again.

Also, its been proven again and again, that raising taxes does not increase revenue. Go ahead, raise the cost of fuel and people will just drive less. Simple as that.

And lastly, Why the **** should the rest of Ontario subsidize public transit in the **** hole that is Toronto? Pay for your own crap....Oh i know why, cuz Liberals main support is in Toronto, so lets pander to the voting base while we plunder the mainly Conservative rural Ontario.
 
Red_Liner740 said:
Why the **** should the rest of Ontario subsidize public transit in the **** hole that is Toronto? Pay for your own crap....
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The rest of the province doesn't seem to have a problem collecting provincial corporate, income and other taxes from Torontonians to help pay for other services in the rest of the province. I say we cut those too then. Toronto bleeds out a LOT more money than it pulls in in this province.
 
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We have 10 cents federal tax, 14.7 provincial and then on top of that 13% HST or roughly 16.25 cents per liter. So taxes are 41 cents per liter given its $1.25

So 33% of fuel we buy is just taxes, that's on top of the ******** yearly "sticker", 13% HST we pay on vehicles no matter how many times they're sold.

If these c**k suckers up it by another 10 cents we'll be paying a cool 41% tax rate at the pump. WTF?

Where is all this money going?

BTW if this nonsense goes through everything will increase in price. Fuel is the biggest cost for transportation companies and guess what, they'll just pass that cost onto their shippers who will in turn pass it onto the consumers.
 
Go ahead, and what pray tell does Toronto actually produce? Primary job in Toronto is shuffling paper, all production, manufacture etc are produced, mined, harvested elsewhere...No **** Toronto has high corporate taxes, as thats where all the money flows to. Its a PROVINCIAL level gain. So you'd like to rape rest of Ontario, benefit and gain from the rest of Ontarios manufacturing/growing then not pay back any? Typical centered outlook of Torontonians who think Ontario ends north of Steeles.


Why should a guy driving his car back and fourth from Orillia to Berrie now have to take on $70+ in first year to $260+ in 8th year on average increase his direct fuel cost, not counting the increase in goods and services that will come from the tax hike?

Torontos TTC is crap and takes too much money to run? You tax those directly causing the issue, The Torontonians and GTA who commute into Toronto. Simple really. Toll roads, leave rest of Ontario out of it.
 
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Panel suggests 10 cent per liter gas hike to fund transit after a hard night of partying with Rob Ford

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They do seem to see it as a black or white,

especially some idiots who truly believe that fuel taxed outside of GTA will be used locally for road improvements and such....Well guess what, if all the roads are in good condition, no maintenance required, why exactly should we get taxed? The true reason is that the money WILL be funneled to General Revenue.

This is nothing more than a tax hike to prop up a bankrupt Province.
 
you think the 10points on gas is something, wait till the true budget is revealed. and that won't be released till 3 days before the election. believe me the ontario liberal gov is one of the sneakiest so far that has ever taken office
 
LiNK666 said:
I'm pretty sure rob ford would be agianst this.
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Wait until they all toke a little something-something and everything will change :cool:
 
There's only one solution for me, i'm getting a Diesel...at least i'll get the most out of my gas money. Gat damn!
 
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Sidewalk use should be taxed. McSquintys' uncle should be executed. I know he's not the Premier any more but it just feels right.
 
Equalize the property tax rate in Toronto to the same rate as surrounding cities? Instead of the current 0.8% to 1.3%
 
I agree with others that have mentioned the concern about the extra revenue going into the general reserve and not actually going where it's supposed to. We are already paying a gas tax that is supposed to go to public transit and infrastructure.

But what a lot of people are forgetting is that the traffic congestion is a GTA issue and not just a Toronto issue. Most of the traffic is trying to get into Toronto to their place of work. Improving the Traffic issue benefits all of us.

I do understand the concern that areas outside the GTA have with regards to subsidizing the GTA's traffic problems. But the GTA is the economic engine of Ontario, and in the end the entire province suffers if the GTA is not competitive.

As also mentioned the GTA does pay more than its fair share of taxes which in turn subsidizes the entire province. Although northern Ontario does have some large industry throughout the province. I seriously doubt the entire northern part of Ontario brings in more taxes from the local tax base that what is actually spent.

Red_liner you would actually be surprised on how much tax subsidizes come from the province to support the smaller communities north of the GTA. I'm not saying I support the increase to the gas tax for all of Ontario. I'm just trying to point out it shouldn't be a GTA vs the rest of Ontario battle.
 
250R-ICE said:
I agree with others that have mentioned the concern about the extra revenue going into the general reserve and not actually going where it's supposed to.
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Biggest scandal I know very little about has to be E.I. premiums redirected to general coffers. I'd support 10 cent per litter tax hike for puppy mills.
 
I'd support a 10c/l gas tax if the feds cut my income tax by 10%.
 
I'd support an increase to the TTC fares. Let the people who use the subway, pay for the subway. You don't see a subway line outside Toronto, do you? All I got is the crappy GO train from Barrie, which sucks.

But really, it is more complex than that. The truth of the matter is that we have a huge problem brewing and something has to be done about it.
 
I don't want anymore of my tax dollars to go to metro linx that has done nothing to improve transit except take our money and say we need to raise taxes.

No more of this BS!
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