PCV vs. Bazzaz ???

Keep it simple grab two power commanders bring it to a well known tuner in your area and tell them what each bike is going to be doing.(track or street) You are going to spend hours upon hours making adjustments with the Bazzaz auto tune. For people to say that Bazzaz units are the only ones that have issues is pure b.s any electronic piggy back to the ecu can have potential issues but that's the chance you take putting these things on. Do you really need a quick shifter and tc? no you don't need it. Do you want it because its cool? yes
You don't know what you are talking about, Quick Shifter and TC is not used just to be cool.

Your statement is just an editorial from someone "trying to be cool"

Ask Your Idol Jordan Szoke
 
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Keep it simple grab two power commanders bring it to a well known tuner in your area and tell them what each bike is going to be doing.(track or street) You are going to spend hours upon hours making adjustments with the Bazzaz auto tune. For people to say that Bazzaz units are the only ones that have issues is pure b.s any electronic piggy back to the ecu can have potential issues but that's the chance you take putting these things on. Do you really need a quick shifter and tc? no you don't need it. Do you want it because its cool? yes

Obviously talking out of your *** is your best quality ..
 
Got a reply from Bazzaz regarding 2003 gsxr 1000.

Since we have never had the older model in our shop I cannot say for sure if the 05-06 kit would work or not. I do not know of anyone that has tried. Sorry but I don’t want to tell you something could work without knowing for sure.

Regards,

François de Martini

I didn't really expect them to say "yes it works", but it's not a "no" either...hmm
 
Keep it simple grab two power commanders bring it to a well known tuner in your area and tell them what each bike is going to be doing.(track or street) You are going to spend hours upon hours making adjustments with the Bazzaz auto tune. For people to say that Bazzaz units are the only ones that have issues is pure b.s any electronic piggy back to the ecu can have potential issues but that's the chance you take putting these things on. Do you really need a quick shifter and tc? no you don't need it. Do you want it because its cool? yes

Yes, I need it. Do you have any idea how slipper coffee cups and be?
Well do you? I also require ABS to deal with the liquid puddle.
Do you have any idea how slipper cream is vs. milk?
Well do you?
:D:cool:
 
I would have probably never bought TC for my bike, but my 2013 ZX6R came with it....Didn't like it at first on the street, but when I converted the bike to track I started using it and I do like it on the minimum setting....Its actually really surprising when it kicks in on different corners on the tracks that I would have never thought I was slipping in.....I have not felt like I was going to highside since using it...... Good tool, just like slipper clutches not required and yes people have been going fast without them for years, but a valuable tool to push even harder. I would't invest in it unless you have suspension first though
 
The RSV4's traction control is plain incredible. But it's a big step up from Bazazz' stuff.
 
There is a bit of an error with this.

With superbikes, you have a MUCH larger margin of error in terms of wheelspin, if it happens you can catch it and modulate the spin,, if you roll off slightly, the large torque of the 1000 will still maintain some level of wheelspin, you can still easily get it wrong, but the big bike is much more forgiving

With a 600, you have MAYBE 1500 RPM range where you can modulate wheelspin,, if you spin the motor above this, power starts to fall off(and you'll eventually get into the rev limiter) if you dip blow, you get out of the small torque peak these bikes have,, either will result in the rear wheel regaining traction and the eject button will promptly be pressed..

I never thought of it that way, makes total sense. I found it harder to spin the rear on the 600 because of such a narrow area in the rpm range that it would break loose so I wouldn't mind the TC taking over for a smaller amount of time where as the 1000 would do it much easier and in a wider range like you said. When the tires started to go off was really where I noticed it kicking in but it also hurt my drive with a fresh set of tires even though I wasn't spinning the tire. I still can't bring myself to rely on it with the amount of power of a 1000 but we'll see if I can come to terms with it on the new bike with oem TC.
 
You wouldn't believe how much the 1000s spin. I've seen them lay black lines just accelerating briskly (no full throttle hijinks). But I also find the 1000s simpler to modulate power with in some ways versus the 600, which requires full throttle and damn the consequences most of the time, or it just doesn't go. Still trying to get up to speed on corner exits with the 600, as my brain and wrist are wired to expecting another 60-70hp.
 
You don't know what you are talking about, Quick Shifter and TC is not used just to be cool.

Your statement is just an editorial from someone "trying to be cool"

Ask Your Idol Jordan Szoke
It was a joke you tool.. You clearly didn't read the original post on this thread. For what this person is looking for do they really need a qs and tc? No they don't need it. They are looking to set up a fueling map to go with an exhaust system and possibly add the other goodies later. No need to get hostile over petty crap lol
 
Trying to decide on which tuner to go with for my track bike.
A lot of people say that Bazzaz is the **** but I can't justify spending 1000$+ all in one shot.
I know I can buy the Z-Fi TC + Dyno time and later add the Z-AFM if I wanted to.
With PC I can add things slowly as I improve. (i.e. Quickshifter, AutoTune, etc.)

I'm not racing so I don't need state of the art technology, but I always prefer quality.
The only other difference between the two is that Bazzaz has the Traction Control option when PC doesn't.
Is it really necessary?

I guess money wise, at the end of it all, Bazzaz is slightly more expensive.
I just wanted to get some opinions on which you guys prefer and why?

Keep it simple grab two power commanders bring it to a well known tuner in your area and tell them what each bike is going to be doing.(track or street) You are going to spend hours upon hours making adjustments with the Bazzaz auto tune. For people to say that Bazzaz units are the only ones that have issues is pure b.s any electronic piggy back to the ecu can have potential issues but that's the chance you take putting these things on. Do you really need a quick shifter and tc? no you don't need it. Do you want it because its cool? yes

You don't know what you are talking about, Quick Shifter and TC is not used just to be cool.

Your statement is just an editorial from someone "trying to be cool"

Ask Your Idol Jordan Szoke

It was a joke you tool.. You clearly didn't read the original post on this thread. For what this person is looking for do they really need a qs and tc? No they don't need it. They are looking to set up a fueling map to go with an exhaust system and possibly add the other goodies later. No need to get hostile over petty crap lol
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have to ask seeing as you had a problem with my opinion and recommendation as to why your zx has a pc on it and not a bazzaz? also has an Anattori qs on it with the strain gauge sensor rather then the tradition push/pull bazzaz or pc qs? Just curious you seem to have top notch pieces on your bike.
 
To flame the fire, I think TC is cheating.

It just makes the rest of us look good!

Most of the time, it actually slows you down as the average rider really has no clue how to configure the systems,, the default setting are very nanny-state in most cases.
 
have to ask seeing as you had a problem with my opinion and recommendation as to why your zx has a pc on it and not a bazzaz? also has an Anattori qs on it with the strain gauge sensor rather then the tradition push/pull bazzaz or pc qs? Just curious you seem to have top notch pieces on your bike.
Budget! bike came with a PC, in order to add a quickshifter I had to buy a module and then the QS, it was a lot more economical to add a stand alone QS independent of the PC.

My new (to me) GSXR 1000, has the Bazzaz with TC and QS.

I didn't have a problem with your recommendation, I had a problem with your opinion that caused you to say "Do you really need a quick shifter and tc? no you don't need it. Do you want it because its cool? yes". That's all.

No need to get all butt hurt about it ;)
 
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exactly and most track bikes are budget bikes right? I mean realistically are you gonna drop 2 gnotes to outfit two bikes with the bazzaz setup? unless money is being printed in your basement as we speak you are probably going the cheaper route and start off with a couple of pc5s. Again I was honestly making a joke I understand the importance and use of both the tc and qs. Im currently waiting on a translogic strain gauge qs for my gixx
 
exactly and most track bikes are budget bikes right? I mean realistically are you gonna drop 2 gnotes to outfit two bikes with the bazzaz setup? unless money is being printed in your basement as we speak you are probably going the cheaper route and start off with a couple of pc5s. Again I was honestly making a joke I understand the importance and use of both the tc and qs. Im currently waiting on a translogic strain gauge qs for my gixx
Dave at Competition Cycle is the Dealer for translogic in Canada or Ontario not sure, go see him if you have questions or need to get one.

It's supposed to be the next best thing
 
exactly and most track bikes are budget bikes right? I mean realistically are you gonna drop 2 gnotes to outfit two bikes with the bazzaz setup? unless money is being printed in your basement as we speak you are probably going the cheaper route and start off with a couple of pc5s. Again I was honestly making a joke I understand the importance and use of both the tc and qs. Im currently waiting on a translogic strain gauge qs for my gixx

They aren't always scrap heaps that you want to destroy and if you price out the cost of the PCV then add the QS and an auto tune kit your close to the price of a bazzaz unit and still don't have TC (you may not want it now but it's a useful tool that has it's benefits).
 
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