Rode it at the Brampton demo ride. Nice bike, kept running out of revs
http://www.yamaha-motor.ca/road_power_tour/schedule.php
2013 Demo Days
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Rode it at the Brampton demo ride. Nice bike, kept running out of revs
http://www.yamaha-motor.ca/road_power_tour/schedule.php
Yamaha Demo? Long gone bro... last demo was in June. I believe all that is left is the Honda demo that is coming up.
This is because READY requested for 2nd demo with the guys who are doing it, hence was not in official Yamaha website.
Looks official to me: http://www.yamaha-motor.ca/road_power_tour/schedule.php
I did the demo ride at Clare's today. Took out the Super Tenere at 10 followed by the FJR1300 at 10:30. I'd pick the S10 hands down. Extremely well balanced and easy to ride despite being a heavy bike. The weight melts away as soon as you turn a wheel. The FJR felt very heavy by comparison and wanted to simply fall into turns.
Oh yea thanks for the link. Looks like it is official. Now I am kinda tempted to go again after reading the schedule, haha.
I am a bit scared to go on a R6 again, haven't rode since June, haha. I wish they have R1 though. Good post.
From my experience, they cancel sport bikes in rainy conditions. At least it happened the last time. Hopefully it wont rain again, great point.
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In terms of sport bikes, I actually like Suzuki the most, not only they have the whole line up, but their bikes are just a privilege to ride, so smooth and mechanically sound. Light and nimble as well, even for the 1L. Only wish they look better though. You can find better looks in other brands. Such as Yamaha, their styling is great! The R6 and R1 look so aggressive! The tuck position is the most comfortable of all, sitting on it feels the bike is the biggest out of other brands. Sadly there is least technology put into the bike (R6), no traction, power setting, ABS, nothing. It's unfortunate because they have to compete with other brands. Like Kawasaki, they have have all of these technologies even for the ZX6r, it's light and nimble as well. Their signature green color really shines on the road. The throttle though is very choppy, quite unrefined, doesn't seem to have much thoughts in the handling wise. It seems no brand is perfect, there is always some poor aspect in one. Lastly Honda, design wise the Repsol colour just wow, brilliant to look at! Both 600 and 1000 have ABS, no traction control or power settings, so it's like in the middle in terms of tech of all the Japanese brands. The riding position and mechanics are also medium, throttle smoothness better than some, nothing really good or bad worth mentioning, it's just like a sport bike you would expect to find.
The European rivals, I rode the S1000RR and 848 EVO. The ducati is nothing but VERY aggressive, throttle is really sharp, brakes are very grippy. The first bike I have accidentally pulled a power wheelie on, it is that powerful. A true racing machine, in terms of riding on the street, is just for looks and the image/status. One tough bike to ride in downtown.
S1000RR is probably the most expensive bike of all, though not by a big margin. It has the mechanics and smoothness of a Suzuki (as it was based on). It is very smooth and easy to ride. It has the most technology built in, anything you can name is there. I rode it in the rain, how helpful was the traction control and ABS! The power setting range is quite wide, it can go pretty low in rain mode. I think is the most balanced and well thought bike, but the look is not balanced on left and right.
Just like to share my own experience of this year's demo.
The European rivals, I rode the S1000RR and 848 EVO. The ducati is nothing but VERY aggressive, throttle is really sharp, brakes are very grippy. The first bike I have accidentally pulled a power wheelie on, it is that powerful. A true racing machine, in terms of riding on the street, is just for looks and the image/status. One tough bike to ride in downtown.
S1000RR is probably the most expensive bike of all, though not by a big margin. It has the mechanics and smoothness of a Suzuki (as it was based on). It is very smooth and easy to ride. It has the most technology built in, anything you can name is there. I rode it in the rain, how helpful was the traction control and ABS! The power setting range is quite wide, it can go pretty low in rain mode. I think is the most balanced and well thought bike, but the look is not balanced on left and right.
Just like to share my own experience of this year's demo.
I tried the 2013 R6. Compared to my 2003, its gutless in the lower rpm's, very forgiving on a demo ride where you wont get a chance to open her up.
I was a bit disappointed really. The throttle-by-wire crap is actually annoying.
On my bike if i snap the throttle a bit it winds nicely. On the newer R6 (06+) it returns to idle instantly the moment you let go of the throttle. It feels totally different in a not-so-good way (personal opinion).
I was there primarily for the R1, they didnt bring it.
chiefswallow
Banned
One of the reasons the RPM's drop so quick and the engine braking is so hard and the throttle is so twitchy is because the 06+ R6 and 07+ R1 shut off the fuel injectors on deceleration (essentially the bike just hits the kill switch!! lol). This can be fixed with an ECU flash and will reduce the engine braking by 30% by shutting off injector disable, makes the on/off throttle much smoother as well. You can of course dial out more engine braking by increasing the ignition advance when under no load (as well as add more fuel or prevent the throttle blades from closing completely).
The slow response when you twist the throttle quick is caused by a "soft throttle response curve" built into the ECU. When you twist it quick the fly by wire just gradually increases the throttle, and if you're under 9000rpm it'll only go to a maximum of 60% throttle, even if you've got the grip twisted right to 100%!! At 9000rpm the throttle blades snap right from 60% to 100%, that's the kick in the pants you can feel when WOT! This can all be fixed with an ECU flash as well, it'll practically disable the fly by wire, so as much as you twist it, that's exactly what you get. Instant response, no 60% limit down low (up top is limited in every gear as well, which it'll get rid of) and make it so when you twist it, the bike responds instantly. It'll also get rid of the kick in the pants you feel at 9k and 11k RPM and makes it one nice hard pull all the way through the RPM range.
The other thing that causes the twitchy throttle is the O2 sensor and the bike constantly leaning out the fuel mixture when cruising, to scary lean levels. Makes the bike run crazy hot, and the throttle retarded twitchy when trying to cruise at steady throttle. With an ECU flash you can of course disable the O2 sensor and lock the bike on the "performance" map 24/7, instead of it using the fuel economy map under 30% throttle.
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Makes sense, coincides well with what I felt. Didnt really have a chance to bring it to the "kick in the pants" range though as the demo was full of cruisers, and also led by one.
When I first learned about the fly-by-wire stuff for the 06+, i knew it was badnewsbears.
I guess Yamaha is just trying to protect street riders? There's no way they would let their race bikes be handicapped like that.
Is it the same deal on the R1?
When I first learned about the fly-by-wire stuff for the 06+, i knew it was badnewsbears.
I guess Yamaha is just trying to protect street riders? There's no way they would let their race bikes be handicapped like that.
Is it the same deal on the R1?
chiefswallow
Banned
If every test rider kept a R6 under 9k RPM I don't understand how they'd EVER sell one, they suck that bad down low (with the factory ECU setup).
All of Yamaha's race bikes run a YEC ecu provided by Graves. It makes a monster out of any R6 or R1 but tuning it isn't easy. You can't use a YEC ecu on your street bike because it disables your headlights, speedometer, turn signals, kickstand sensor, brake lights, etc. etc. etc.
The aftermarket flashes for the stock ECU (flash-tune, jett tuning, ecunleashed, etc.) work fine on a street bike, all features kept in tact, as well as being able to adjust the factory fan turn on and off points to keep the bike much cooler (really saves your *** in traffic on the R1 due to the undertail pipes plus the catalytic converter that sits right beside your right calf
).The R1 is restricted exactly, if not worse than, the R6
The 09+ R1 in "A" mode (highest performance map) provides 100% throttle ONLY from 6500rpm to 11500. Over 11500 it drops the throttle right down to 78%!!!! Wondering why you're having trouble hitting 300kph on your R1? That's the reason, not the engine's fault, it's the limits in the ECU. And just FYI, the R1 (and R6 too, lol) is electronically limited to 299km/h with the stock ECU. With the flashed ECU it removes the 299km/h limit, but the speedometer will always read 299km/h at any speed over 299km/h. GPS devices are very accurate at these speeds so they are your best bet to verify your speed on top speed runs.The best GPS verified (5hz ultra high accuracy) speed I've attained on a 09+ R1 (graves full system, BMC race unrestricted filter, EURO airbox mod, PCV+Autotune, flash-tuned flashed ECU) was 313km/h at which point it hit the rev limiter. The owner put on a -1 rear sprocket for a theoretical top speed of 320km/h but has not had an opportunity to see if it can reach this speed.
The 07/08 R1 gives 100% throttle from 7500rpm until 12000rpm at which point it only drops it to 85%.
Stock rev limiter for all R1's is 13,750RPM.
chiefswallow
Banned
If you want to have some serious fun with your 03 pick up a +4 ignition advance rotor (scroll down) and some SuperFlare velocity stacks from Factory Pro. Grab a set of Graves Slide Stops (make sure you get the more expensive 03/04 ones, 05 won't work due to fuel pressure issue), BMC race air filter and a PCV+Autotune (yes, it works on your bike even though they say it doesn't, just order for 09 R6S and PCV will work fine on your bike. Need to drill and weld O2 sensor bung if using the factory exhaust), then a lightweight chain and sprocket kit and depending on the top speed you want to achieve get a -1/+0 (15/48 ), works really well but limits your top speed to 266km/h (but it gets there in a HURRY)!
Make sure to drop the graves slide stop map into the PCV before you unleash the autotune on it or it'll make a big big mess.
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chiefswallow
Banned
haha. Okies
Yeah, sucks they didn't have an R1 for ya to try. I don't know why they think people will kill themselves on it, it's such a tame beast compared to the R6, way way easier to ride.
