Tipped over someone's GSXR-1000, need advice

[Kuro]

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now i think you should have your license revoked. you didnt see it so its not your fault? what about the 4 year old riding dirt bike (i know badass 4 yr olds) or the smoking hot couger of a mom pulling her baby in a stroller over to her baby daddys house before she has to go grind for tips, you smoke her, her kids and then there is no one on stage.
thanks for ruining my tuesday lunch break from work, im on commission and that was going to be a business meeting... now you affected my annual income as well as injuring people.

there is NOT a onus on a bike owner to make their bike visible, its your responsibility to not break peoples S#$#@# and id you do by incompetence its your responsibility to repair any and all damages, which includes loss of use, technically you should be covering a rental bike while his is out of commission.
i hope the guy with the gsxr is on here and see this...
bottom line, you hit a bike and come to a bike forum for sympathy and to deflect blame on someone who just parked their vehicle? pff...

Are you kidding?
So you know you ride a motorcycle, you know you're hard to see on the road as it is.
Do you not take it upon yourself to be more aware and visible in traffic situations when riding on the road?

Same situation here. You know that a bike is smaller and harder to see when up close behind a car.
You know this so of course you also take it upon yourself to make your bike more visible when parking.

Sure you don't HAVE to follow those rules, but **** happens when you don't take care. In this case, the rider didn't take care in parking his bike in a more visible spot... its not his lawful responsibility to do so but as a result, OP got the **** end of the stick because the rider.

Again not the riders fault, but something can be said about due diligence here.

 

[FiReSTaRT]

Slightly off topic...what do you do when a bike parks so close to your car you can't move the car out of your spot? Put it in neutral and move it out of the way (assuming no disc lock)? Or wait for the owner to return?

If it's in my spot, I'd just call parking enforcement. They have vultures ready to haul those off to the impound. Don't want the liability of touching another person's stuff and if I can't reach the guy, tough ****. That what he gets for parking like a prick.

 

[EaZ8]

Are you kidding?
So you know you ride a motorcycle, you know you're hard to see on the road as it is.
Do you not take it upon yourself to be more aware and visible in traffic situations when riding on the road?

Same situation here. You know that a bike is smaller and harder to see when up close behind a car.
You know this so of course you also take it upon yourself to make your bike more visible when parking.

Sure you don't HAVE to follow those rules, but **** happens when you don't take care. In this case, the rider didn't take care in parking his bike in a more visible spot... its not his lawful responsibility to do so but as a result, OP got the **** end of the stick because the rider.

Again not the riders fault, but something can be said about due diligence here.

sure i park where i think its more visible but in no way is it my fault is someone hits my legally PARKED bike.

yes, **** happens but he just tried to say he isnt liable for the damage because the owner should have parked somewhere else... forget that.

its like going hunting in bow season, taking a shot at a deer missing and hitting some guy walking his dog..oops i didnt see him, its not my fault. (no hunters orange law in bow season)

 

[beverage]

Are you kidding?
So you know you ride a motorcycle, you know you're hard to see on the road as it is.
Do you not take it upon yourself to be more aware and visible in traffic situations when riding on the road?

Same situation here. You know that a bike is smaller and harder to see when up close behind a car.
You know this so of course you also take it upon yourself to make your bike more visible when parking.

Sure you don't HAVE to follow those rules, but **** happens when you don't take care. In this case, the rider didn't take care in parking his bike in a more visible spot... its not his lawful responsibility to do so but as a result, OP got the **** end of the stick because the rider.

Again not the riders fault, but something can be said about due diligence here.

The OP said they were parallel parked along the street. He makes no mention that the bike was parked illegally or infringing on his parking spot, which leads me to believe the bike was parked legally in its own spot. With that in mind, I find it hard to lay any blame on the bike owner; what more is expected?

 

[xfactor]

Call an insurance company and get a quote mentioning your at fault accident and compare it to what you're paying now. If the diff is negligible let it go through the insurance. If it's significantly higher then pay the guy the 2K and don't think about if he's taking you for a ride or not. It is what it is. Take it as a lesson learned, especially if you're driving some Ford 350 super duty or something because I'm not sure how you can't see a gixxer 1K parked behind you driving a normal sedan. Also, like other said, talk to your agent he/she can give you the best advise regarding this.

 

[vibiker]

now i think you should have your license revoked. you didnt see it so its not your fault? what about the 4 year old riding dirt bike (i know badass 4 yr olds) or the smoking hot couger of a mom pulling her baby in a stroller over to her baby daddys house before she has to go grind for tips, you smoke her, her kids and then there is no one on stage.

If you read this entire thread before going on your rage post, you'd have noticed that I admitted I'm 100 percent at fault here.
My post was in response to someone asking how I could have not seen his bike. Yes, if I walked to the backseat door, I would have seen the bike.

thanks for ruining my tuesday lunch break from work, im on commission and that was going to be a business meeting... now you affected my annual income as well as injuring people.

What in the hell are you talking about?

there is NOT a onus on a bike owner to make their bike visible, its your responsibility to not break peoples S#$#@# and id you do by incompetence its your responsibility to repair any and all damages, which includes loss of use, technically you should be covering a rental bike while his is out of commission.
i hope the guy with the gsxr is on here and see this...
bottom line, you hit a bike and come to a bike forum for sympathy and to deflect blame on someone who just parked their vehicle? pff...

You should make sure that your parked bike is visible. I'm sure you wouldn't pull into a Timmies off the 400 and park your bike directly behind a truck. The same reasoning should apply to large sedans. This is more of a lesson learnt to myself and other riders.

I didn't come to a motorcycle forum for sympathy on damaging someone's bike.

Go back under the bridge.

 

[vibiker]

There were no markings. He was parked legally, I'm not blaming the owner for this incident.

The OP said they were parallel parked along the street. He makes no mention that the bike was parked illegally or infringing on his parking spot, which leads me to believe the bike was parked legally in its own spot. With that in mind, I find it hard to lay any blame on the bike owner; what more is expected?

 

[mimico_polak]

Wow this thread went downhill fast....actually it took about 6 pages so not too bad. Go ride people!

 

[vibiker]

I have 1 car with full coverage and no deductible. I have 1 minor speeding ticket.

Wow that's some high premiums, you either have a lot of vehicles or you have some bad history. Judging by your logic the latter seems most likely.



No. No there isn't.

 

[Emefef]

Call an insurance company and get a quote mentioning your at fault accident and compare it to what you're paying now. If the diff is negligible let it go through the insurance. If it's significantly higher then pay the guy the 2K and don't think about if he's taking you for a ride or not. It is what it is. Take it as a lesson learned, especially if you're driving some Ford 350 super duty or something because I'm not sure how you can't see a gixxer 1K parked behind you driving a normal sedan. Also, like other said, talk to your agent he/she can give you the best advise regarding this.

You're already paying a significant premium, but we don't know if that's because of age and experience, an expensive car, or your insurance history. If it's not the latter, and you haven't had a claim before, you're better off letting insurance cover it and paying the increase in your premium. I think $2,000 would go a long way towards covering the increase if there is one, and you have no headache.
If you're concerned at all about the guy trying to generate a little cash, then let him get it fixed. Anyone who has a vehicle damaged is entitled to have it fixed properly - but not a simple cash bonanza. His insurance adjuster will determine what they should fix or shouldn't - and you won't have to worry about whether he gets the extra stuff fixed. It may bother you, but you won't know about it so that might make it easier.
I was recently at fault, and damaged another car with my van. It was about $1800 damage to my van and I paid my $500 deductible. I described the damage to my adjuster, including something that seemed to me to be added on - when I met the guy at the CRC he told me (I think) that his car was quiet before, and loud after, "because muffler broken". I'm thinking WHAT? So I went out and looked. There was a clear round tailpipe sized mark on my bumper, so I hit it. The pipe was broken ahead of the muffler - but the entire exhaust looked like it was ready to fall off, it was so rusty (it was an older car). The adjuster said it wouldn't really matter with respect to my record, but the insurance company would only fix the part that was broken, not pay for the whole exhaust.
That same thing could happen with the RH switch and some other things in your case.
If you're at all concerned he's just trying to profit, let him get it fixed and his insurance company pay for it. Maybe he will get extra stuff - but he won't get a pocketful of cash from your mistake.

 

[Apollo95]

OP. to simplify:

1) all damages and costs makes sense BUT it is evident that the rider did NOT take of that bike at all. so based on that, this individual doesn't care about keeping the bike looking mint. therefore, i would go through insurance.

2) the ignition doesn't work. I suspect that issue could have been there before the accident. the bike was dropped on left side, but ignition is on right side. therefore, i would go through insurance.

3) as riders, we understand that our bikes are less visible and so we need to compensate by being smarter when parking and riding. this individual really didn't show any care in judgment when parking his bike.

Certainly repairing and replacing parts will cost $2K + but in this case it's like hitting an rusted car and then being asked to put brand new parts on the car... it doesn't completely add up.

my previous advice was that the estimated costs make sense, and they do... for me the red flag would be the condition of the bike and on principal id go through insurance for peace of mind.
if you get into accidents every week then yea, you should be concerned about rate increase, but if this accident is your first in years... then really it shouldn't make that big a difference if any at all. will probly cost you less to go through insurance.

 

[vibiker]

My premium is high because this is my first policy and I've only had it for 3 years.
My car is not really expensive. Just a mid price large sedan.

You're already paying a significant premium, but we don't know if that's because of age and experience, an expensive car, or your insurance history. If it's not the latter, and you haven't had a claim before, you're better off letting insurance cover it and paying the increase in your premium. I think $2,000 would go a long way towards covering the increase if there is one, and you have no headache.
If you're concerned at all about the guy trying to generate a little cash, then let him get it fixed. Anyone who has a vehicle damaged is entitled to have it fixed properly - but not a simple cash bonanza. His insurance adjuster will determine what they should fix or shouldn't - and you won't have to worry about whether he gets the extra stuff fixed. It may bother you, but you won't know about it so that might make it easier.
I was recently at fault, and damaged another car with my van. It was about $1800 damage to my van and I paid my $500 deductible. I described the damage to my adjuster, including something that seemed to me to be added on - when I met the guy at the CRC he told me (I think) that his car was quiet before, and loud after, "because muffler broken". I'm thinking WHAT? So I went out and looked. There was a clear round tailpipe sized mark on my bumper, so I hit it. The pipe was broken ahead of the muffler - but the entire exhaust looked like it was ready to fall off, it was so rusty (it was an older car). The adjuster said it wouldn't really matter with respect to my record, but the insurance company would only fix the part that was broken, not pay for the whole exhaust.
That same thing could happen with the RH switch and some other things in your case.
If you're at all concerned he's just trying to profit, let him get it fixed and his insurance company pay for it. Maybe he will get extra stuff - but he won't get a pocketful of cash from your mistake.

 

[Paul1000RR]

Now it's his fault you hit and damaged his property? lol

you are 100% at fault in terms of both the law and insurance liability determination.

Pay up sucker.

ccasion5:

 

[kickstartt]

Is OP still at this?? LOL

Just pay up man, ppl have suggested enough.

You are at fault for hitting the guy's bike, you pay for the consequences.

 

[omnivore]

I think at two grand you're doing okay. Furthermore, the bike rider shouldn't have to wait around for the driver to find parts on ebay and have them shipped etc. Its riding season...if the bike was undamaged before, put it back that way and soon.

 

[Emefef]

Is OP still at this?? LOL

Just pay up man, ppl have suggested enough.

You are at fault for hitting the guy's bike, you pay for the consequences.

I don't know if he's "still at it" - this has been a lot of posting in a pretty short time!

I disagree with the "just pay up" though. It's his fault, he admits it's his fault, but "paying up" could still result in something ugly. Let the insurance companies sort it out -that's what we pay for.
As for the increase - if it does affect it, it's not going to be that significant. It would be an at-fault claim, but his driving record didn't change. It's not $2,000 out if his pocket now, it may not ever amount to $2,000, and he won't have to worry about fixing more than was broken or the rider trying to get anything else out of him.

 

[Dresden]

In response to the rust on the left handle:

It does look suspicious to me as well. The only thing that might seem reasonable is that it was raining on that evening.
I'm not sure how fast it would rust, but it doesn't seem unreasonable.

What really alarms me is that I wasn't aware of all this damage at the time of the incident (it was rainy and dark), and it took the guy 4 days to report it to the collision center.
Would you wait for 4 days?

With all due respect, in your case, I would not be concerning myself with how good of condition his bike was in. Unless the parts were broken beforehand, and you can prove it.

You tipped the man's bike over. As MANY other's have said before me, pay the man the reasonable $2k and move on. IMO, that's a good deal since motorcycle parts are astronomically priced.

Whether or not your insurance company knows about the report at the collision center is a separate issue. Perhaps call them and do a insurance quote on "a different vehicle you are interested in". I really don't know.

Make sure you get in writing from the person you hit that you have come to a settlement of $2000 to cover all damages as reported to the collision center. If he mysteriously has engine trouble after a few days, you are in the clear.


For what it's worth, I scraped my neighbours (already scratched up) car not so long ago. I had to pay $1800 for a perfectly new bumper and paint, even though the rest of the car remained in poor condition. It's a tough pill to swallow, but the insurance savings in the long run kept my mind at <relative> ease.



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[SunnY S]

meh, its only a gixxer. I wouldn't even give him $5.

 

[Mina]

I don't know why and I'm not being racist here but I think the OP is being Ragu'ed... Is the owner of the bike brown by any chance?

 

[-D-]

I don't know why and I'm not being racist here but I think the OP is being Ragu'ed... Is the owner of the bike brown by any chance?

What does race/color have to do with crime?
The recent bike theft ring that busted appeared to be all Italians.

Crime is crime.
Are people going to start asking if the criminal is gay or straight?

It seems both sides have their own interest that they are trying to protect.

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