push steering confusion

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matthew said:
If I want to hit a target, by throwing a ball, to make someone fall in a dunk tank at a fundraiser, do I throw the ball over hand or under hand?
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lol, you just made me laugh

To the OP, telling a basketball player how to play hockey when he still really sucks at basketball is irrelevant, just like your original question.
 
tricky said:
In order to truly know, you would have to first analyze several hours of youtube videos and use those videos to try to disprove fundamental laws of physics.

Rather then going outside and throwing a ball.
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With this logic every book about anything is irrelevant since we should all just learn everything through trial and error.

Math, science and english is all a fable until one learns it by doing right? Shall we all fly planes without learning about them as well?
 
youngrider said:
As stated in the original post the concept of push steering is quite clear, however what is not clear is the video portraying a rider NOT push steering. Hope that is simple enough for you.
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The rider obviously resides in the real world, and is bound by the laws of physics... if he is travelling at anything but low speeds, he is using push steering whether you see it or not. What you think you see on the video is not relevant.

It is impossible to turn in the manner you are describing at anything but low speeds, so the youtube video could not possibly be showing it....... get it?
 
tricky said:
The rider obviously resides in the real world, and is bound by the laws of physics... if he is travelling at anything but low speeds, he is using push steering whether you see it or not. What you think you see on the video is not relevant.

It is impossible to turn in the manner you are describing at anything but low speeds, so the youtube video could not possibly be showing it....... get it?
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Never mind, this question is simply not easily understood, thought it would be.

I'm just happy some members here were able to answer it.
 
youngrider said:
With this logic every book about anything is irrelevant since we should all just learn everything through trial and error.

Math, science and english is all a fable until one learns it by doing right? Shall we all fly planes without learning about them as well?
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Yes, because becoming an aerospace engineer is exactly like learning to ride a motorcycle
 
Oh, sure It's all a big joke now but for a while there it looked like we may have broken a law of physics. Right here on GTAM. On a Saturday night.
 
Just make sure you don't hop on a bike with GP steering, it's opposite.
 
mikbusa said:
Just make sure you don't hop on a bike with GP steering, it's opposite.
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Opposite to what? because I once watched a video where it looked like it was pushing left instead of right and it got me confused, can you precisely explain so that I can finally go out and ride my motorcycle..please help!
 
youngrider said:


With the video camera you are able to see the forces being applied since the handlebars require force to be moved, the riders force or the force of the grounds is moving the handle bars the way it is. My question was why is he not push steering during the turn, but still taking the corner fine.
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The riders arms aren't the only things applying force to the wheel. So even though the wheel is turned to the right the rider could be pushing in the other direction a bit to maintain the lean.

Also at 4:55 you can see the wheel turning in the opposite direction first to start the lean.

You're pushing to lean, not to turn. The lean then makes the bike turn. You apply pressure as needed to maintain the lean. It doesn't mean the wheel is in the opposite direction throughout the turn.

Like others said let your body figure it out and then observe and analyze what you're already doing instinctively.
 
Op is a troll. If not, he needs to watch twist of the wrist 2 because this very thing is demonstrated in this video.
 
soto said:
The riders arms aren't the only things applying force to the wheel. So even though the wheel is turned to the right the rider could be pushing in the other direction a bit to maintain the lean.

Also at 4:55 you can see the wheel turning in the opposite direction first to start the lean.

You're pushing to lean, not to turn. The lean then makes the bike turn. You apply pressure as needed to maintain the lean. It doesn't mean the wheel is in the opposite direction throughout the turn.

Like others said let your body figure it out and then observe and analyze what you're already doing instinctively.
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ding ding ding, we have a winner :D, I know who I can trust on the forum now lol
 
Sweet Jeebus!!! My head hurts just by reading your posts going over and over the same thing.

Learn the physics of riding a bike, don't over think it dude! You're gonna hurt yourself and others.

bleed_blue said:
[video=youtube;PgUOOwnZcDU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgUOOwnZcDU[/video]
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Edit: you already hurt yourself...
 
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