push steering confusion

[Type17]

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You're way over thinking it man. I read somewhere that the typical behaviour for push steering comes naturally to something like 90+% of people. Chill out, if you've ridden a bicycle before you've used push steering without thinking about it.

Anyway, push right go right, push left go left... it really is that easy and when you get seat time you'll get it right away. You just push the bar away from you.

If you wanna try imagining it, try this:

Sit in a squatting position on the balls of your feet with your arms slightly out in front of you and your fists at about chest height facing outwards in front of you. Now stretch out your left arm in front of you (truly stretch it), pushing out horizontally. If you visualize a bike underneath you with the handlebars in your hands, you'll notice that you're in a leaning position while steering left.

 

[inreb]

so in the turn you don't keep the bars turned?

What do you do when you ride a bicycle? Please don't tell me you've never ridden a bicycle.

oops, bicycle was mentioned above during black out, sorry.

 

[ZX600]

Watch this video - It sucks but it gives you exactly what you need

[video=youtube;dqcRPv-rOi8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqcRPv-rOi8[/video]

 

[Low rider]

You are trying to overcome the force of the wheel spinning and wanting to stay going straight.
The bike must lean to turn.
When you push forward on the right bar at speeds over 25kph, the motorcycle will lean to the right.
You continue to push right through the corner. The bike will turn to the right.
The wheel actually is turning right, but because of the force of the wheel wanting to stay straight, you must continue to push right. The harder you push the bar forward on the right, the more lean you will accomplish.
The front wheel actually does turn to the right, even though it feels like it should be pointing left.

I actually employ a push pull steer. I push right and pull left.

If you seek a race video taken from the tank, you will see hairpin corners that actually take very little steering input. A hairpin turn at speed only requires a few millimeters of actual bar movement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX3KW9Hmpgw

 

[koma]

but you just said in the video the bike is leaning over thus creating the arc of the tire, so he was not pushing left during the left turn, his tires are turned so that he'd be pushing right in the left turn



Yeah thats what I understand but in videos motorcycles have their tires turned toward the turn, so that they're bars are pushed left to turn right and vice versa.

from a birds eye view their front tire looks like " / " to turn right and " \ " to turn left

i never said he wasn't pushing left to turn left.

the bike being leaned over makes it difficult to see in the video exactly what the tires are doing, which is why I mentioned it.

didn't you crash once already? why are you arguing basics with people who know how to ride?

 

[youngrider]

What do you do when you ride a bicycle. Please don't tell me you've never ridden a bicycle.

i've ridden a bicycle and never have used push steering, just got on a bike today again just to test it out.

I understand the concept of push steering but its just the video's I am watching show the motorcycle's wheels turned towards the turn...this means they are steering into the turn the opposite of push steering.

 

[Low rider]

Um, not comparable.
Apples and tanks.

What do you do when you ride a bicycle? Please don't tell me you've never ridden a bicycle.

oops, bicycle was mentioned above during black out, sorry.

 

[inreb]

Um, not comparable.
Apples and tanks.

news to me

 

[koma]

Um, not comparable.
Apples and tanks.

a bicycle above (roughly) ~30km/h requires counter-steering.

 

[ZX600]

only after certain speed does push steering work, OP is probably not reaching that speed on the bike, hence why he is even more confused

 

[youngrider]

i never said he wasn't pushing left to turn left.

the bike being leaned over makes it difficult to see in the video exactly what the tires are doing, which is why I mentioned it.

didn't you crash once already? why are you arguing basics with people who know how to ride?

i am asking a question which relates to a video so i can understand it better, the answer you provided wasn't clear. I wanted to know why he was pushing right to turn left and vice versa.

only after certain speed does push steering work, OP is probably not reaching that speed on the bike, hence why he is even more confused

The rider in the video is moving at more than enough speed


at 4:55 he pushes left to turn right, pushes right to turn left you can tell by the direction his tire is turned in the lean

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dawhl2QMQFk

 

[ZX600]

Dude, after 30 km/hr, if you want to go left you push your left handle bar, if you want to go right you push your right handle bar, it is physics and it is a constant

Stop thinking about it, get on your bike and go to a parking lot, ride until you reach at least 40km/hr and push both of your handle bars and see what happens, end of thread

 

[koma]

i am asking a question which relates to a video so i can understand it better, the answer you provided wasn't clear. I wanted to know why he was pushing right to turn left and vice versa.



The rider in the video is moving at more than enough speed


at 4:55 he pushes left to turn right, pushes right to turn left you can tell by the direction his tire is turned in the lean

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dawhl2QMQFk

it's a perspective effect. if you don't believe us try taking a left-hand turn in 3rd gear by pushing right.

 

[youngrider]

it's a perspective effect. if you don't believe us try taking a left-hand turn in 3rd gear by pushing right.

Dude, after 30 km/hr, if you want to go left you push your left handle bar, if you want to go right you push your right handle bar, it is physics and it is a constant

Stop thinking about it, get on your bike and go to a parking lot, ride until you reach at least 40km/hr and push both of your handle bars and see what happens, end of thread

These past couple days i've come to understand push steering a bit better but recently I have watched videos of motorcycles riding canyons/curves and while the camera faces the tires when they are turning left their tires are turned to the left, when they're turning right their tires are turned to the right.

This means they are pushing on the left handle bar to turn right and vice versa. Which is the exact opposite of push steering.

So now I am confused...the way i understood push steering you keep pushing as you turn.

After you start turning do you keep pushing?

bolded it for you I know what push steering is i just don't understand the turning in videos.

 

[ZX600]

Stop thinking about it, get on your bike and go to a parking lot, ride until you reach at least 40km/hr and push both of your handle bars and see what happens, end of thread

Bolded it for you

 

[youngrider]

Bolded it for you

It's like talking with a wall, your answer has no relevance to my question at all.


Anyways.

End thread, someone who has a brain bigger than a peanut has explained and understood the question I was asking for the reason for the tires turning in the video.

 

[ZX600]

It's like talking with a wall, your answer has no relevance to my question at all.


Anyways.

End thread, someone who has a brain bigger than a peanut has explained and understood the question I was asking for the reason for the tires turning in the video.

I am only editing my response because I don't want to get banned

You are questioning my intelligence when you can not even figure out how to ride a motorcycle at low speeds?

That is cute!

 

[Low rider]

Yes, but some people never get over 30 on a bicycle.
Most people will bicycle steer a bicycle.

Plus, the quote you put with your answer didn't help the situation.
I think the quote meant that when steering his bicycle, he would keep the bars turned as he went through the corner. (bicycle steering the bicycle.)

So he actually would keep steering his bicycle by pushing the left bar forward to go right.

a bicycle above (roughly) ~30km/h requires counter-steering.

 

[inreb]

Yes, but some people never get over 30 on a bicycle.
Most people will bicycle steer a bicycle.

Yes, but your back peddling should get you over 30 no problem.

 

[inreb]

I am only editing my response because I don't want to get banned

You are questioning my intelligence when you can not even figure out how to ride a motorcycle at low speeds?

That is cute!

Take a deep breath and read it over again. You might be surprised.

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