moarmoto
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I'd be hesitant too.
Selling powerful bikes to noobs...
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And how is that saleperson suppose to know who you are in that 1 hour interaction.
It is NOT about the rider, stop being so damn selfish ppl.
It's about the salesperson's experience and conscience saying this is not the bike for you right now.
They don't want anything bad happening but if you wrap yourself around a pole then it's not on them.
STOP! look at our society, we have ppl that are willing to say NO to money in order for the greater good and at the least for their own moral and ethical beliefs be it as rider or human. They are not refusing to sell you a bike, just not one of those bikes.
Beiber rides an 848 and a 675. Just sayin? Some people have more money than brains, I'd try to make sure the kid has researched insurance and knows he's going to pay $5000+ (my estimate) provided he's under 25 which one would assume in this situation taking into account your concern for his well being. If he hasn't, that can be your cop out to try and avoid this buyer. It's clear you don't want to sell to him, that's your gut, stick with it! But to help the decision throw some ultimatums at him about researching insurance and proving he's not going to bin it.
It definitely is an interesting debate as some have the caveat emptor mentality and some have a conscious and won't be happy with themselves if they sell their ridiculously powerful bike to a young inexperienced rider. I think it really comes down to the person and their gut, if the money is worth it for you, sell it. If your gut says wait for the right buyer, don't sell it.
It definitely is an interesting debate as some have the caveat emptor mentality and some have a conscious and won't be happy with themselves if they sell their ridiculously powerful bike to a young inexperienced rider. I think it really comes down to the person and their gut, if the money is worth it for you, sell it. If your gut says wait for the right buyer, don't sell it.
I don't think Bieber rides a bike, it was just for publicity with his new image being created.
I worked at a prominent multi line shop in SW Ontario in the late 90's / early 00's. Our main salesman at the time was definitely not everyone's cup of tea, he was very opinionated, a little harsh for most. One thing that he always stood firm on though was that he wouldn't sell full SS bikes to young, inexperienced riders. He walked one guy on a GSXR 750, tried to put him on a Ninja 500, guy bought the 750 at another dealer and offed himself on it within a couple months.
If OP's guy wants it bad enough, he'll find someone to sell it to him for sure. If anything happened to the guy though, I wouldn't want to be the guy that sold it to him, even if his well being wasn't something I could control.
If OP's guy wants it bad enough, he'll find someone to sell it to him for sure. If anything happened to the guy though, I wouldn't want to be the guy that sold it to him, even if his well being wasn't something I could control.
ahhh but you are in control of his well being for a moment. You are not selling him your bike.
Also, you are essentially looking out for his parents as well.
Sure it was for publicity but there's pictures floating around of him on the bike that says "SWAGGER" or something of the like with a helmet on and on the road. Sure none of us consider him a "rider" but I do believe he does indeed operate motorcycles on public roads.
You mean go around the block with a film crew following and possibly clearing traffic ahead or even a closed course and more than likely an ambulance as well.
We are talking about males 16-25 amped up on testosterone and redbull.
Look at it from the salesperson point of view, they don't want that on their hands.
This is an excellent topic, and I'm glad to see that people are recognizing that selling bikes involves responsibility.
I also purchased a new ride this year, with more cc's, and found it interesting that sales people did not push me into buying anything.
I didn't feel that pressure to make a purchase/close the deal, and was pleasantly surprised.
I am led to believe that selling motorcycles is a special kind of sales profession.
I can't think of another sales job involving an obvious risk to the customer's life. And it's because of the risk involved that selling bikes should be a profession involving honesty AND HIGH scrutiny when dealing with customers.
It's called professional ethics.
I also purchased a new ride this year, with more cc's, and found it interesting that sales people did not push me into buying anything.
I didn't feel that pressure to make a purchase/close the deal, and was pleasantly surprised.
I am led to believe that selling motorcycles is a special kind of sales profession.
I can't think of another sales job involving an obvious risk to the customer's life. And it's because of the risk involved that selling bikes should be a profession involving honesty AND HIGH scrutiny when dealing with customers.
It's called professional ethics.
Venom01
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My father had a kawi tripple 750. Notorious bike for instant colonics. Sold it to a friend of a friend of his getting into biking. A week later he heard the guylaunch himself hard into a telephone pole. My dad says he still thinks about how much he regrets selling that bike to someone so inexperienced.
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Not selling the bike does not, in the least, put the seller in control of the riders well being. The state of his well being is as it was walking in, even if he leaves without a bike. All the seller is in control of is his own product. Until the sale is made, it's still his and the potential buyer is not owed a damn thing. If the seller doesn't want to sell, tough **** for the buyer. The reason for not selling does not suddenly give the seller some magical power over the riders well being.
It just means the rider will have to go elsewhere, and the sellers concious rests easy. To each their own.
You take some more time and think about what I wrote. It will make sense to you eventually.
You'll have to be a little less cryptic, otherwise I'm just going to think the same.
The seller can't be in control of something he doesn't have to being with.
Exactly
BTW whats next? Not being able to get a burger cause you're a couple pounds overweight?
Quit with the bubble wrap people, we're all adults.
Pedagogue
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maybe not how you think tho....seller has a responsibility to his own well being and particularly in his profession knows the consequences.
As the triple 750 story shows ( I rode one only once and it was flat out scary ) these decisions can haunt one.
So the responsibility is to one's self and one's set of values ( in the case of a mcycle salesman )
There is no real duty of care tho in both cases, because they know the potential consequences of inexperienced riders on powerful machines, there is certainly a duty of caution to try and convey that knowledge to the young buyer.
Once again graduated licences for machines would resolve the ethical issue mostly.
Here in Aus it takes a while to get an "open" licence. One of the most experienced riders I l know who thinks nothing about setting off on a 3,000 km off pavement and off road trek won't and cannot legally ride my ST1100.
Given the tight speed limits here ...not sure anyone needs much above a 650 anything anyway.
