CB500 Prices are out

[MacDoc]

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I'd take the 500x over the NC700 in a heart beat - no stupid 6500 rpm limiter on the 500.
I'd say it's a good choice for you and might be a decade + ride for you. Farkles $$ tho.

 

[sid_for_speed]

the price for these guys is right on par with the Ninja 300... so if I was hunting for a beginner sport bike....

CBR = more CCs
Ninja = (slipper clutch + abs) - less CCs...

The equation is quite simple....

for the same price..the ninja wins

 

[MacDoc]

Except that is not what he is in the market for.
He wants a two up for a bit of dual sport and light touring. He already has a 250.
The 500x fits perfectly.

 

[mimico_polak]

Yes the 500x seems like the best bet actually. Overall it seemed most comfortable for the money. I like the cb500f version but thinking it over the x makes the most sense.
The Ninja 300 would be too much $ for a 50cc upgrade so to me it's def both worth it.

For the current pricing I just can't justify it for the new bike but I'm in no major rush. I may end up getting one more season out of the 250 or pick up a used 650 but unfortunately $ does play a role in this decision. My main goal was to sit on as many bikes in my short list as possible and this has allowed me to focus a bit more on what ergos I'm looking for in my next bike.

 

[PongER]

I just bought a new Versys 650 for $5900, that is cheaper than Honda is asking for this 500. Just saying...

Did you buy it from the dealership? What year and any tips how I canctry to get a similar deal in Vancouver? Thanks in advance.

 

[PongER]

Wish if i can get the same deal in Vancouver. Any tips of how I can bargain that you don't mind to share?

 

[PongER]

Maybe I was too naive. The Honda motorcycle website said msrp included freight in & PDI... I was wondering then the price is super cheap. So, that's a false stmt since dealership charge additional freight in and PDI? You may want to challenge them if you really want one.

Btw, I have a CBR 125 and was thinking upgrading to 250. Now 500 is avail so... Gladius and fz6 (older ones) are also my favorite. But I am awaiting the other two fellows giving me tips to get a versys for some great deal.

Cheers.

 

[mimico_polak]

Maybe I was too naive. The Honda motorcycle website said msrp included freight in & PDI... I was wondering then the price is super cheap. So, that's a false stmt since dealership charge additional freight in and PDI? You may want to challenge them if you really want one.

Btw, I have a CBR 125 and was thinking upgrading to 250. Now 500 is avail so... Gladius and fz6 (older ones) are also my favorite. But I am awaiting the other two fellows giving me tips to get a versys for some great deal.

Cheers.

I actually did state that the site said '$0' for the freight and pdi but they told me that it's a dealer charge and not a Honda charge so it won't show on the site. I tried to argue the point you just made but they didn't really care and just said that it's a dealership charge...etc etc. Personally I really liked the Gladius and the FZ6R and I was surprised how well they both fit and th ergos were great on the bikes. The GSX650F seemed very large. The Street Triple R felt good as well.

 

[ItIsWhatItIs]

I actually did state that the site said '$0' for the freight and pdi but they told me that it's a dealer charge and not a Honda charge so it won't show on the site. I tried to argue the point you just made but they didn't really care and just said that it's a dealership charge...etc etc. Personally I really liked the Gladius and the FZ6R and I was surprised how well they both fit and th ergos were great on the bikes. The GSX650F seemed very large. The Street Triple R felt good as well.

$700 is bs, if you really want the bike you need to find a volume seller in Ontario or think about buying in the US.

 

[mimico_polak]

$700 is bs, if you really want the bike you need to find a volume seller in Ontario or think about buying in the US.

I checked the US but there's a $400 diff from Canadian prices so not really worth it in my opinion. Mind you they don't have the same models / options as we do. This is on the ABS version of the CB500F.

Edit: I would only go to the US to buy one because they have a white version of the cb500f whereas Canada only gets the red. But price wise I don't think it's justifiable.

 

[PongER]

I actually did state that the site said '$0' for the freight and pdi but they told me that it's a dealer charge and not a Honda charge so it won't show on the site. I tried to argue the point you just made but they didn't really care and just said that it's a dealership charge...etc etc. Personally I really liked the Gladius and the FZ6R and I was surprised how well they both fit and th ergos were great on the bikes. The GSX650F seemed very large. The Street Triple R felt good as well.

Not sure how much you paid for the FI&PDI for your 250. I manage to find one only charging $350 and they don't charge the stupid documentation. Honestly, feel free NOT to do the PDI for me, factory probably did it and dealership and want a dip for additional profit margin. I can negotiate when I m buying a vehicle, but just can't really justify when buying a bike that is like 1/4 of how much a car cost...

Hoping to buy the 500x but now with the dealership FI&PDI it is going to be like $8500ish... Sigh

 

[ItIsWhatItIs]

I checked the US but there's a $400 diff from Canadian prices so not really worth it in my opinion. Mind you they don't have the same models / options as we do. This is on the ABS version of the CB500F.

Edit: I would only go to the US to buy one because they have a white version of the cb500f whereas Canada only gets the red. But price wise I don't think it's justifiable.

If you really want this bike I would not quibble on the price, pay it. Like macdoc says you will likely own this bike for the long run. If you intend to get 5 plus years out of a bike like this, really what's 1 or 2 thousand in the grand scheme of things.

 

[MacDoc]

a spare dirt bike ??

But yeah should be able to get a deal and finance rates are low.

 

[silverbullet132]

You could probably get a better deal on the 700, I don't think they sold well.

 

[mimico_polak]

a spare dirt bike ??

But yeah should be able to get a deal and finance rates are low.

I am putting a hitch on the car...if I could store it somewhere it's actually under consideration. I've also got a lead on a Virago 535 for around 2k so that's less than a new CB500! LoL but that's not really too seriously being looked at.

Rates are around 10% as it's a new model...theyll drop by the summer/fall for sure though!

 

[ItIsWhatItIs]

You could probably get a better deal on the 700, I don't think they sold well.

To settle for something else or get what you are set on? Honda Canada has to make up for some of some of their blunders. They are under the delusion there will be a glut of buyers for this bike at this price point. The fact is a they are now in another class of bike buyer mentality. They would have been better served to have made this a 400 cc bike with the same performace specs.

A 500 cc bike will cost more to insure and for this size of bike and the performance is nothing to be excited about - 44bhp. The cbr125 is a good bike and is popular. The 2012 can be bought for less 3k all in. Instead of bringing in the FI cbr150 sold in other markets Honda opted for the 250 with 24 bhp performance and 100 lbs more weight. For a 250 not impressive. The ninja 300 weighs close to the cbr250 and has 39 bhp. The result will be honda discounted their cbr250 to try and keep buyers away from the ninja 300. Honda brought in nc700 and the response to it is questionable, come spring they will be discounted. The cbf600 and cbf1000 were suppose to be step up bikes from the cbr125; they don't look like they have moved all that well as they are getting discounted along with the cbr125. I would not be surprised to see a 2014 fi ninja 500 with 60 hp. If this happens what will honda be doing with the cbf500 at 44 bhp? Discounting it. Sensing a pattern here?

Don't like the price, all you have to do is wait for the discounts and a dealer who will reduce or include the pdi in their price. I have no doubt this bike will be discounted, the question is when.

 

[honduhmatic]

I don't think hp is the only consideration here. The CBR250 scored pretty much a dead heat in comparison tests with the Ninja 250 (the old model, I know) despite being a single with 5-10 less hp. The 250 apparently had a lot more 'meat under the curve' and was less peaky.

I have heard, and do realize, that Kawi has significantly upgraded the Ninja 300 so maybe Honda needs another move up their sleeve with the 250.

If the 500's follow a similar pattern, I don't think that's a bad thing whatsoever. I don't think an entry-level motorcycle rider wants to have to thrash their bike to 12,000 rpm to get everywhere. I'm saying that knowing that the old, outdated Ninja 500 made 60 hp to the CBR500's 45-50.

The Honda 500 section was the busiest of the show when I was there. It's a sweet spot in the market - a bike that can ride 400 series highways and keep up with other bikes on sensible rides, yet is cheap for insurance, in cool colors, for a few grand less than a Gladius, SV650 and FZ6R. I bet they'll sell well.

I bet Suzuki's the real loser here, who will have to do something about their 10-year-old middle-range line-up (Gladius, SV650, GS500, GSX650F).

 

[EC2010]

I like the 500. Price is fair for both abs and regular versions, being new and they look great. Seat height is not intimidating, riding position can be both relaxed and aggressive (I can see people replacing the handle bars with sport bars). The bike doesn't feel bulky, in fact, very slim and nimble. My asks would have been a bigger gas tank (current 15L, which would be a pain if you like to tour - ninja250 18L tank) and use better plastics (the grips feel really cheap to start, but easily replaceable with aftermarket bits). Overall finish is what you'll be paying for. If I'm in the market for an upgrade from a 250, I'd seriously consider this one up and schedule a test ride.

 

[ItIsWhatItIs]

I don't think hp is the only consideration here. The CBR250 scored pretty much a dead heat in comparison tests with the Ninja 250 (the old model, I know) despite being a single with 5-10 less hp. The 250 apparently had a lot more 'meat under the curve' and was less peaky.

I have heard, and do realize, that Kawi has significantly upgraded the Ninja 300 so maybe Honda needs another move up their sleeve with the 250.

If the 500's follow a similar pattern, I don't think that's a bad thing whatsoever. I don't think an entry-level motorcycle rider wants to have to thrash their bike to 12,000 rpm to get everywhere. I'm saying that knowing that the old, outdated Ninja 500 made 60 hp to the CBR500's 45-50.

The Honda 500 section was the busiest of the show when I was there. It's a sweet spot in the market - a bike that can ride 400 series highways and keep up with other bikes on sensible rides, yet is cheap for insurance, in cool colors, for a few grand less than a Gladius, SV650 and FZ6R. I bet they'll sell well.

I bet Suzuki's the real loser here, who will have to do something about their 10-year-old middle-range line-up (Gladius, SV650, GS500, GSX650F).

http://www.visordown.com/reviews/motorcycles/naked/honda-cbf500-2004---2009/119.html

56 bhp, adding fi increases the hp of a bike. I really don't get honda's product strategy.

 

[Boom King]

Honda's product strategy is to make their bikes successful globally. They did that with the CBR250R by marketing it as, and I'm paraphrasing, "a quarter litre for the world". The CBR500 is a natural step up from the CBR250R. In countries with tiered licensing requirements such as in the EU, the CBR500 meets restrictions on horsepower and power-to-weight ratio for the A2 category. The 47 bhp is right at the limit of allowable in the A2 tier. The highest level is the A, that's where your supersports would fit in.

In North America, we're often guilty of only looking at the horsepower and torque figures and thinking more is better. If we don't see numbers that wet our appetite then we dismiss the bike on paper. The Honda 500 will sell in large volumes globally. If you want a 500 that makes 60hp, there's a bike for you; it's called the Ninja 500. It was designed in an era where tiered licensing and emission rules wasn't as strict and under a different global economy where fuel efficiency wasn't as a primary concern for buyers.

Adding fuel injection does not automatically increase horsepower on its own. It depends on other criteria of the setup such as mapping. The ECU and FI on a bike like the CBR500 will be tuned to strike a balance between power and fuel economy as well as make it compliant with emission rules.

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