last night 401 east

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IV. said:
?Bikes don't have AC.
Maybe that person was overheating, maybe they were having some kind of "asthma" related issue.
Maybe their bike was overheating.
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The one time I rode the shoulder, it was because I had stalled twice already and I knew if I stalled a third I'd be pushing my bike (1100cc cruiser) over to cool down. But granted I could have just pulled over.

Rob MacLennan said:
When I started riding, and for maybe the first decade, I believed in The Brotherhood of the Biker. Not now. Not anymore. To many people who don't care one whit about the rest of society.
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+1000000000

So far this summer I have been cut off by more bikes than cars (while on my bike) and have had two cagers purposely try to hurt me. One made a point to cut me off 5 times coming home on the 401. I tried slowing down and speeding up but the dude did what ever it took and one point went over 160 to catch up to me to do it again. And after a coworker coming to me shaking because she almost killed a biker who cut her off, I wonder if the cagers are just retaliating for **** another biker pulled on them.
 
Anyone who regularly does the rush hour southbound on the 404 will frequently see cars using the shoulder as their own personal FUITP lanes. As soon as it starts to slow around Stoufville Rd they'll be using the shoulder to zoom to the next exit, cutting into on ramps to cut a few more cars out and running right to the end of the on ramps until there's no more gravel left before pushing their way in. If anyone wants to try lane splitting, or filtering or using the shoulder, on a motorcycle with these ignorant, selfish pricks on the road then be my guest. Just don't come crying on here when you wake up in the back of an ambulance.
 
I once saw a big rig drive onto the shoulder to stop cars and bikes using it to get ahead of a queue just outside of Montreal, another time I saw a pick up drive into a ditch as he was trying to use the shoulder to pass a line of traffic and someone moved to the shoulder again. If you really want to be a ****** and filter past everyone on the shoulder this is what you will eventually come up against. For those of you that think owning a bike gives you carte blanche to act like asshats and jump queues I'd say that it's that assumption that gets your bike taken off you these days.

On another note....lining up in a queue to take your turn was always taught as a polite, sociable thing to do where I came from. Jumping line ups was always seen as something rude ignorant twats did.
 
Guh, this thread is deteriorating...

Drivers who intentionally put others lives at risk by say, oh I dunno, trying to block them from getting by (?) are the real dangerous element here. I have never (on my bike) tailgated, brake checked, or purposely put at risk the driver of another vehicle - but I have been blocked by ignorant a*holes who seem to think its their duty to uphold the law and put my life at risk in the process.

As the other posters in this thread have already explained, filtering is a tool that should be used by motorcyclists to bypass heavy traffic; and it can be done relatively safely. It's not about having a 'carte blanche' or being an 'ignorant twat'... it's common sense. The less traffic on the road, the more easily traffic will flow.
 
Maybe the big rig was pulling onto the SHOULDER (intentionally capitalized for you) because he broke down or for any of the legitimate reasons that you pull onto the shoulder. Filtering through traffic is one thing when it's on the highway...filtering on the shoulder is totally different and if you call that common sense I'd rethink your definition of the word common and of the word sense.
 
jc100 said:
Maybe the big rig was pulling onto the SHOULDER (intentionally capitalized for you) because he broke down or for any of the legitimate reasons that you pull onto the shoulder. Filtering through traffic is one thing when it's on the highway...filtering on the shoulder is totally different and if you call that common sense I'd rethink your definition of the word common and of the word sense.
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Thanks for the capitalization, I feel more literate as a result :rolleyes:

We're talking about two completely different things... you're rambling on about some isolated incident that you witnessed which has formulated your perceptions and justifies your pettiness whereas I am speaking in generalities, with a focus on the tangible realities we face in traffic and how to overcome them - in other words, why it makes sense to filter.

There, now do you see how I'm completely right about everything!? ;)
 
johnny5 said:
last time i checked the 401 was here in toronto. Not in one of 'those places'. Lane splitting and riding the shoulders is against the law here in ontario. I don't care what anyone's excuse is, the laws are the laws. I think anyone caught pulling **** like that should automatically lose their m license for 3 months, and they should have a 3 strike rule with motorcycles, any combo of getting caught lane splitting, stunting or excessive speeding 3 times and your m is revoked for life.
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hahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha
someone elect this guy for mayor
 
Why is this so difficult to understand?

Scenario:
You go to LCBO Friday evening before long weekend. It's busy. You get your stuff, go to one of the lines, and wait in line. Some people have few bottles, some have a cart-full.
If random people decide it's ok to jump the line and go straight to register - because they are only buying 1 beer, and they are major alcoholics , they just have to a drink NOW - is that OK? That doesn't inconvenience all the people waiting in line? Not even if 30 alcoholics jump the line while 10 normal people wait?

It is an anti-social behaviour, it's more than just rude, it's not civilized.

If that sort of thing is what you do, I'm not here to stop you - jump the lines all you want - but don't kid yourself it's an OK thing to do. It's not. Society hates you - and that's a really bad karma, man. :)
 
adv_round said:
Why is this so difficult to understand?

Scenario:
You go to LCBO Friday evening before long weekend. It's busy. You get your stuff, go to one of the lines, and wait in line. Some people have few bottles, some have a cart-full.
If random people decide it's ok to jump the line and go straight to register - because they are only buying 1 beer, and they are major alcoholics , they just have to a drink NOW - is that OK? That doesn't inconvenience all the people waiting in line? Not even if 30 alcoholics jump the line while 10 normal people wait?

It is an anti-social behaviour, it's more than just rude, it's not civilized.

If that sort of thing is what you do, I'm not here to stop you - jump the lines all you want - but don't kid yourself it's an OK thing to do. It's not. Society hates you - and that's a really bad karma, man. :)
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That's a full on retard analogy.
 
adv_round said:
Why is this so difficult to understand?

Scenario:
You go to LCBO Friday evening before long weekend. It's busy. You get your stuff, go to one of the lines, and wait in line. Some people have few bottles, some have a cart-full.
If random people decide it's ok to jump the line and go straight to register - because they are only buying 1 beer, and they are major alcoholics , they just have to a drink NOW - is that OK? That doesn't inconvenience all the people waiting in line? Not even if 30 alcoholics jump the line while 10 normal people wait?

It is an anti-social behaviour, it's more than just rude, it's not civilized.

If that sort of thing is what you do, I'm not here to stop you - jump the lines all you want - but don't kid yourself it's an OK thing to do. It's not. Society hates you - and that's a really bad karma, man. :)
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...-everyone.html

Shut it.

I would write more, with my own examples, but I'm way too lazy.
 
You're missing the point.
I'm not disagreeing with any of that (UK article reference).

When you're stuck in traffic, you don't see an issue with HOV people using HOV lane.

If filtering / lane splitting becomes legal - no issue (we would love that, goes without saying)... but passing on a shoulder within current legal structure (cage or a bike, I make no distinction here whatsoever) is not OK.
 
adv_round said:
You're missing the point.
I'm not disagreeing with any of that (UK article reference).

When you're stuck in traffic, you don't see an issue with HOV people using HOV lane.

If filtering / lane splitting becomes legal - no issue (we would love that, goes without saying)... but passing on a shoulder within current legal structure (cage or a bike, I make no distinction here whatsoever) is not OK.
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but it doesn't really affect the people who are sitting in their cars bashing their heads against their steering wheels in frustration does it? You're not skipping in front of a line to check out faster, you're breaking the law and taking your chances riding the shoulder.

People just hate it because the shoulder-rider/driver has the balls(or stupidity depending on your point of view) to thumb their nose at every one else AND the law while they sit there and move at 2 km/h

I learnt my lesson years ago when I caught a nail on the shoulder on the 407.... i take the 401 daily to and from work and certainly there have been times when I've been tempted but I'd rather be late due to traffic than late due to injury/death/incarceration
 
adv_round said:
You're missing the point.
I'm not disagreeing with any of that (UK article reference).

When you're stuck in traffic, you don't see an issue with HOV people using HOV lane.

If filtering / lane splitting becomes legal - no issue (we would love that, goes without saying)... but passing on a shoulder within current legal structure (cage or a bike, I make no distinction here whatsoever) is not OK.
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You just back-paddled yourself into a corner! What happened to the LCBO lineup? Some case ya had there...LOLOLOLOLOL
You blew it...no credibility. We see saw it, you blew it and you will carry that around in future posts. Forever.
 
Scary said:
Thanks for the capitalization, I feel more literate as a result :rolleyes:

We're talking about two completely different things... you're rambling on about some isolated incident that you witnessed which has formulated your perceptions and justifies your pettiness whereas I am speaking in generalities, with a focus on the tangible realities we face in traffic and how to overcome them - in other words, why it makes sense to filter.

There, now do you see how I'm completely right about everything!? ;)
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Lol...I'm "rambling" about the topic in the OP's post in the OP's thread. Glad I could help with your literacy, we'll just work on the comprehension next.
 
nesobriquet said:
You just back-paddled yourself into a corner! What happened to the LCBO lineup? Some case ya had there...LOLOLOLOLOL
You blew it...no credibility. We see saw it, you blew it and you will carry that around in future posts. Forever.
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I understood the analogy...let me help you, if pushing into lines became globally accepted behaviour at the LCBO then the analogy would fail.
 
LCBO=Air Conditioning and washrooms
Bike on halted highway= NO AC and NO washroom
So ***** and complain from your AC car, that biker is out there in essentially 50 degree temps. They can pass out, then what?
 
jc100 said:
I understood the analogy...let me help you, if pushing into lines became globally accepted behaviour at the LCBO then the analogy would fail.
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Can you be real? Just for a moment?
How is a rider who filters up to a light and is GONE, as soon as the light turns green, affect the others that were in line?
It's just that selfish ME-FIRST mentality. Obviously you have it too. Been in GTA too long...at the very least.
 
IV. said:
LCBO=Air Conditioning and washrooms
Bike on halted highway= NO AC and NO washroom
So ***** and complain from your AC car, that biker is out there in essentially 50 degree temps. They can pass out, then what?
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Lol...so people only filter in warm weather do they? We can even things up if you like...the LCBO in the analogy has broken AC...now what?
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