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IMO theres a perfectly safe and reasonable way to split and filter. You dont have to be doing 150kmh or scaring other road users.

Its illegal because some ********* official who knows nothing about motorcycles deemed it illegal... do I care what some overpaid ********* politician thinks? No. If you get busted, pony up or fight the charge.

Its such an innocent infraction that quite frankly anyone who thinks its sooo terrible is just a granny or a vagina.
 
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What is this obsession by some about this "giving us a bad image" thing?

They paid for the bike, they pay for the insurance and license fees.
They get the ticket.

Do you have the same view regarding people that drive the same type of car as you?

mmmnaked said:
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Buncha lamewads here overly concerned with their "good public image"

Might as well revoke licences for all road offenses. Rolling through stop signs, turning on red without stopping, improper lane change... All that stuff results in many more accidents than lane splitting.
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Last friday around 12:30 a.m. maybe 3 or more, some 2up, racing on the east bound lane on the 401. I was waiting for something to happen, they pass me on the right and i was traveling on the # 2 lane and cut in front of me to go to the passing lane. They did not realize there was a car on lane 1. all i saw was break lights.
At least 2 of the came close. If that does not qualify for stupid riding, I don't know what will.
 
California's lane filtering law is pretty reasonable. No more than half the speed limit, and no more than 15 miles an hour over the flow of traffic. You cannot leave the road surface (meaning no shoulders, even if paved). Best practices include riding in the left split if you're on a 3 lane road; cars there generally open up more space on the left split because they're used to seeing Goldwings splitting.

Of course people don't follow those rules all the time, but if something bad happens, blame is easy to assign; followed the rules, car gets the blame, didn't follow the rules, bike get some of the blame.


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sadrik said:
California's lane filtering law is pretty reasonable. No more than half the speed limit, and no more than 15 miles an hour over the flow of traffic. You cannot leave the road surface (meaning no shoulders, even if paved). Best practices include riding in the left split if you're on a 3 lane road; cars there generally open up more space on the left split because they're used to seeing Goldwings splitting.

Of course people don't follow those rules all the time, but if something bad happens, blame is easy to assign; followed the rules, car gets the blame, didn't follow the rules, bike get some of the blame.


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Actually that isn't law. In California it isn't that lane splitting is legal but rather that it isn't explicitly illegal, and has become accepted practice. As a result over time and through case law, certain 'rules' have been assumed.
 
Lane split or lane filter...use the term you want...my question is if I'm lane splitting/filtering and a car doesn't see me and hits me as I'm passing...who's at fault?
 
Everything I have read says that it is indeed legal in California. They specifically changed the laws to allow two vehicles to be side by side in one lane. They added limitations around it so blame can be assigned. Technically, you have to signal every time you wander from one side of the painted line to the other, so if you want to argue that, feel free. But at the end of the day, it is not illegal, it is accepted, blame is easily laid when needed. Even the California Highway Patrol weighed in and made it stay legal.
 
rome said:
Last friday around 12:30 a.m. maybe 3 or more, some 2up, racing on the east bound lane on the 401. I was waiting for something to happen, they pass me on the right and i was traveling on the # 2 lane and cut in front of me to go to the passing lane. They did not realize there was a car on lane 1. all i saw was break lights.
At least 2 of the came close. If that does not qualify for stupid riding, I don't know what will.
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Hey! Scary would say they were blessed with a mind if their own! Who are we to judge ;)
 
mimico_polak said:
Lane split or lane filter...use the term you want...my question is if I'm lane splitting/filtering and a car doesn't see me and hits me as I'm passing...who's at fault?
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Let's say that same car hits you, but the only difference is...you were parked? Answer is obvious right? Well consider that if the max speed of filtering is kept to no more than fast walk or jog pace, then that same driver would have time to look in mirror AND shoulder check you, and add in the fact that at one point you will be beside their passenger window and forward of there, all in perfect sight before they would come close to moving even 2 feet outta their original lane position.

The key piece of info here that supports filtering is not just where it would/should be allowed, but the speed differential with which it is allowed. The vast majority of anyone doing it now all are going anywhere from 30-40 to even 100 kph faster.

Think about it, a bike doing 3 to 5 mph (5 to 10+) kph can stop faster than a bicycle even. In fact, if you do 10 kph and have a friend jog on foot alongside, and have another wave a hand motion to stop. You can stop your bike faster than the guy on foot!
 
Beanz said:
Hey! Scary would say they were blessed with a mind if their own! Who are we to judge ;)
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I really couldn't care less what other riders do, as matter of fact it create excitement when i see one in the hwy, it's just annoys me coming out of a long night shift and you could be be involve in a potential accident.
 
Irocian said a thing about ruining biker image and stuff. Immediately one instance came to my mind. Couple years back, before i even had a bike i was stuck in traffic on 401. Couple bikes rode by on the shoulder and i thaught nothing of it. Couple min later i see diffrent two bikes stuck in traffick and going with the flow. I actually turned to my gf and said "look at those idiots, they have bikes and theyre stuck in traffick like the rest of us, lol!". In europe even tho its against the law everybody does filter in traffick. Car drivers actually help out by moving aside so the middle its clear cause it does ease up the conjestion a bit. I saw instances when somebody was blocking the middle and when they saw a bike coming they moved to the side to let it through. I mean isnt it one of the reasons ud get a bike for te city to ease your commute?
 
I do think people who don't obey road rules and laws give motorcyclists a negative reputation but who cares. Like one other user said, they paid for the bike and its insurance so they can also pay for tickets and consequences from disobeying road laws. In the end, you're doing yourself a favor by following rules and you are also setting a good example for people who care.
 
OP is too short and doesn't completely describe the situation in a way that anyone could judge whether or not what happened was safe or unsafe. Anyone wishing death or injury on said rider or even expecting injury or an accident because "they give other riders a bad name" need a serious reality check.

The majority of countries all across the world recognize filtering through traffic on a motorcycle to be legal and accepted practice. Even in some places where it is illegal, it has become accepted practice and cops do nothing about it.
 
Ride your own friggin ride and stop caring so much what other people are doing. If other bikers tarnish the OP's image and it's a huge concern, then he should give up riding.
 
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Any idea what the penatly is if a cop catches you riding up the shoulder like that? Cause I mean not having AC and wearing gear while the sun is blazing sounds like a good excuse to ride up the shoulder (wouldn't apply to the OPs situation though since it was 10:30PM)
 
TiburonJA said:
Any idea what the penatly is if a cop catches you riding up the shoulder like that? Cause I mean not having AC and wearing gear while the sun is blazing sounds like a good excuse to ride up the shoulder (wouldn't apply to the OPs situation though since it was 10:30PM)
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it wouldn't be a good excuse in a courtroom.
 
To the OP and anyone else who feels similarly, I'm just wondering what exactly ticks you off about seeing someone filtering, lane splitting, riding on shoulder, etc? Is it really due to some--and I really don't mean to sound argumentative here--"righteous" notion that everyone should be equally diligent in observing the HTA and that it gives riders a bad image?

It just seems to me that, deep down, it's more likely bitter envy in seeing someone benefit from disregarding the rules that you've chosen to abide by. I say this because it's honestly how I used to feel until I examined my own reactions more closely. Hell, I'm guilty of doing it myself once in a while and my default reaction is still mild irritation when I see someone whizzing by while I'm sitting in traffic being a "good boy".

[edit] Oh, one more thing I want to add... people who actively try to obstruct those who are passing (legally or otherwise) are infinitely worse. Earlier, I was riding down Bayview south of Eglinton and riding in the parking lane to bypass the long lineup of cars waiting for someone to turn left. Someone in line made a movement to cut me off as I was passing. There was no room for him in my lane to either drive or attempt to park (street was chock full of parked cars). That ****** me off. What kind of murderous rage possesses someone to put my life at risk when I've literally done nothing to affect his/her life?
 
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sadrik said:
Everything I have read says that it is indeed legal in California. They specifically changed the laws to allow two vehicles to be side by side in one lane. They added limitations around it so blame can be assigned. Technically, you have to signal every time you wander from one side of the painted line to the other, so if you want to argue that, feel free. But at the end of the day, it is not illegal, it is accepted, blame is easily laid when needed. Even the California Highway Patrol weighed in and made it stay legal.
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I'm going to have to side with Rob on this as the dude in the video doing the lane splitting says, "...don't quote me on this but I don't think there's is a law that states you can lane split but there's also no law that says you cant. Which is basically what Rob was saying too. As long drivers in California are ok with it than why make a big fuss over it unlike here.

Same goes with Florida's helmet law which I think it's illegal to not wear one but if the general populace don't raise a hell storm over it than that's why they allow people to not wear helmet. But here people are so worried about other people's behaviour, what they wear, how they drive/ride, etc.. If they think long term it's actually more a benefit to them as they get to work faster and more people will get into 2 wheel riding easing the road congestion as well.

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TiburonJA said:
Any idea what the penatly is if a cop catches you riding up the shoulder like that? Cause I mean not having AC and wearing gear while the sun is blazing sounds like a good excuse to ride up the shoulder (wouldn't apply to the OPs situation though since it was 10:30PM)
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Three points, at minimum. A charge under HTA 172 for "outdistancing or attempting to outdistance one or more other motor vehicles while driving at a rate of speed that is a marked departure from the lawful rate of speed" or "operation without due care and attention" at most, depending upon the circumstances. Unless it results in a collision or other possible infraction, of course, at which point all bets are off. Criminal charges could apply.
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