OpenGambit
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I like their cuff links.
What came first, the chicken or the stingray hide (sportbike glove topic)
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Yet somehow the Japanese seem to always have higher overall quality levels across the board in their cars.
A friend of mine worked in a factory that produced parts for the Big 3, and a few Japanese makes. He told me the allowable tolerances for Jap spec parts the engineers would allow were far higher than what the US spec guys wanted. He said they had bin after bin of rejected parts until they got it right as the variance of was so narrow. With the big 3, he said they had no such problems.
Do you think Velocity is a charitable organization?
They are local, that's a huge advantage they have over Heroic. Do you think Jimmy lost money on that group buy? Utimately it's a business and he's in it to make money. Did anyone ask Heroic what price they could offer on a 60-70 pair glove order? I doubt it. He's not local and it never came up. Jimmy came up with the group buy plan to stimulate local sales. You didn't get a good price on those gloves out of the goodness of anyone's heart, it was a volume discount. There's a large local target market that Velocity can tap into and that target market likes the discount. The group buy is mutually beneficial but it's not a charity.
If it was not for the R&D and work that Heroic put into their SP Pro glove the Velocity VR Pro glove would not exist. If you're happy with the protection provided with either glove, credit belongs to Heroic.
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Agreed, that's exactly what it is. With everything I have read from the earlier discussion, and what I've personally heard, I decided to put my money where my mouth is and not purchase the gloves from Velocity. I understand I may have gotten a good glove from participating in the group buy, but for me it's about principle.
Griffin
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I can sympathize with someone that put a lot of time and effort into developing something for market. BUT, you cannot reasonable expect consumers to pay significantly more money on principle when both products are made offshore to save money on production by exploiting foreign labour environments.
If there is an opportunity for a designer to protect their designs they should do so. IF there is not, they should expect copying and plan for it in their business model.
I'd be willing to pay a premium for a product if I knew the workers building the product were better compensated or that the environment would not be as adversely affected. That isn't the case in this situation.
It seems to me that the argument about ethics is more than a bit self-serving from Heroic notwithstanding that I understand their desire to protect their design.
If there is an opportunity for a designer to protect their designs they should do so. IF there is not, they should expect copying and plan for it in their business model.
I'd be willing to pay a premium for a product if I knew the workers building the product were better compensated or that the environment would not be as adversely affected. That isn't the case in this situation.
It seems to me that the argument about ethics is more than a bit self-serving from Heroic notwithstanding that I understand their desire to protect their design.
FriendlyFoe
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The point in all of it is Heroic is getting screwed by this. To be honest part of me feels like Heroic needed to do more to protect their product, but i dont think a contract with a company in pakistan protecting your intellectual property is worth the paper its written on, and if he has them made here then we would be looking at 500 dollar gloves which no one would buy.
At the end of the day Heroic's manufacturer is selling basically his exact same product to Jimmy at velocity. Regardless of Heroics role in protecting their product, i think what Jimmy at velocity is doing is pretty cowardly, and people be aware when they are supporting him that this is the sort of person they are keeping in business. Little pieces of green paper dont make me feel better about dealing with a coward.
Is HEROIC a paid sponsor of yours or something ? lmao ..
FriendlyFoe
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Apart from the group buy, velocities top end glove thats the same as the heroic is listed at 279, and the same glove made from cow hide is 239. Heroics gloves are currently on sale at $250 and have been for a while now.
FriendlyFoe
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LoL nah i would put up a post like this for anyone who was a good guy that i thought was getting screwed.
I am not advocating that Jimmy is a saint, far from that, all I am saying is that he took the marketing initiative to create the group buy, yes he made money out of it but he did help many people (me at least and about 107 more) getting quality gloves at not over priced prices.
So to me I will stick with the guy that helped me and not the one that comes in here crying about it, take it to the courts and if he is right then he will win.
I don't do well with people like that, so far his word against Jimmy's
If he proves he started them first then I won't buy from velocity ever again
It appears that these gloves (or some very close variation thereof) were in existence prior to Velocity selling them, but what is not known is whether the design actually originated with Heroic or with the third-party overseas manufacturer, and if it did originate with Heroic, whether Heroic took any proper steps to protect the intellectual design ... and it seems rather apparent that this latter step did not happen. Whining and complaining on the internet after FAILING to take steps to protect a design which you feel belongs to you, is NOT the proper way to protect intellectual property.
It's probably better if disputes like this are resolved the RIGHT way ... and that right way is NOT discussion in a public forum.
IIRC the earlier SP-Pro was available several years before Velocity existed.
FriendlyFoe
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2 years. 2009 is when they were released.
I'm calling Todd tonight, and requesting that you are put on the payroll; you possibly could be running the PR department in no time.
why not? I wouldn't even say at this point it's a dispute for it's pretty one-sided so far. I'll reserve my judgement until I hear both sides of the story. In today's environment, online media plays a big role in public relations. it's not like in the 80s where people rely on the TV news station or the newspaper to break out a story. I'm not saying Jimmy at Velocity has an obligation to respond to all comments that appear on public forums. I still like to believe that one remains innocent until proven guilty, but you can't dispute the fact that this discussion and some of the info displayed have already impacted his reputation, in which a lot of companies out there, small or large, monitors and manage their PR on public forums and then take legal actions to the court. That's why people have posted reviews, both good and bad, on this forum... e.g. GP, Kahuna, SON.
That's not a very good analogy.
If this is real, I feel for OP. Post a copy of Jimmy saying he'll stop making them. If it was over the phone, then everything is and will always be hearsay.
I'd love to hear velocity chime in.
I know. It was the fastest one I could think of. How about the "Slide to unlock" option on the "i" products? Apple was first with a patent, and is now suing Android for copying it. They aren't on forums complaining, they're in court wasting money.
I tried to take the high road here as this topic was discussed last year but I will chime in later today with facts and my point of view.
