Stopping the bike ASAP by laying bike down or use both brakes? Emergency Situation

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No one "lays it down", they fall off, whether intentionally or not.

I've never been in a situation whereby voluntarily falling off of the bike would be safer or faster to stop.

If you fell off and slid then your bike should be able to stop sooner than you slid. Something is off with your technique or your bike.

I'm sure that there are people who fell off to avoid a collision with vehicle A, only to hit vehicle B by bailing. Vehicle A is now free and clear since there was no collision, and they end up on the hook for themselves and vehicle B, if they survive the experience.

Don't insurance companies, licensing and policing agencies frown upon people who voluntarily give up control of a vehicle?

What would the appropriate charges be for someone who voluntarily gives up control of their vehicle be?
 
Baggsy said:
Don't insurance companies, licensing and policing agencies frown upon people who voluntarily give up control of a vehicle?

What would the appropriate charges be for someone who voluntarily gives up control of their vehicle be?
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that reminds me of the person on canada's worst driver that takes their hands off the wheel and closes their eyes every time something scary happens but they were never really in control to begin with.

I'd say careless driving... though isn't there some literature in the stunting law about not sitting in the driver's seat?
 
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^ you've actually met someone who said they "had to lay it down" to avoid a crash? :lol: awesome
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Yep, my buddy this summer. He had a car wanting to go left from the right lane. He told me that he wouldn't be able to stop in time, so he laid the bike down. I tried to explain that brakes are better than friction of metal and pavement, but he wouldn't agree with me. I just shake my head at him.
 
Laying the bike down like this also presents the possibility that if there is a crack or pothole in the road as the rear tyre comes round it could actually catch and catapult you. Had this happen on a pushbike when I was a kid...
 
Raise your hand if you want to lay your bike down, still hit the car, then get trapped under it when your bike catches on fire?
 
read all 4 pages got a really good laugh but i have yet to see people consider this.

yes tires and brakes are made for stopping and people think rubber and brakes stop faster BUT

- brakes and tires have to stop NOT ONLY the rider, but also the bike ITSELF. so rider 160 lbs and bike 400 lbs.
- if rider jumps off, thru sliding and rolling, the rider only needs to stop himself.

so why do people think brakes can stop faster? i think this topic is more about staying ALIVE. in an emergency situation, which gives you a higher chance of survival, staying on the brakes OR jumping ship?

- on the brakes, the brakes will need to stop the entire mass of the rider and bike, approx. weight 560 lbs.
- lay it down, rider just needs to stop his own body

in case of the stunt video, it's obvious that he can't brake in time. if he stayed on the brakes his front wheel will hit and the bike might endo. he might land on his head/face. if he swerves the bike hard, he could still hit something else. so seems like laying the bike down was the safest option.
 
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DownUnder said:
Laying the bike down like this also presents the possibility that if there is a crack or pothole in the road as the rear tyre comes round it could actually catch and catapult you. Had this happen on a pushbike when I was a kid...
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Exactly, and some things can launch the rider too. And they both have greatly diminished capacity for deceleration when they're flying 3 feet in the air.
 
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SkyRider said:
read all 4 pages got a really good laugh but i have yet to see people consider this.

yes tires and brakes are made for stopping and people think rubber and brakes stop faster BUT

- brakes and tires have to stop NOT ONLY the rider, but also the bike ITSELF. so rider 160 lbs and bike 400 lbs.
- if rider jumps off, thru sliding and rolling, the rider only needs to stop himself.

so why do people think brakes can stop faster? i think this topic is more about staying ALIVE. in an emergency situation, which gives you a higher chance of survival, staying on the brakes OR jumping ship?

- on the brakes, the brakes will need to stop the entire mass of the rider and bike, approx. weight 560 lbs.
- lay it down, rider just needs to stop his own body

in case of the stunt video, it's obvious that he can't brake in time. if he stayed on the brakes his front wheel will hit and the bike might endo. he might land on his head/face. if he swerves the bike hard, he could still hit something else. so seems like laying the bike down was the safest option.
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Tell ya what, let's have us a test. We'll fire you along the pavement at 100 kph (we'll assume there's nothing on the pavement for you to hit) and I'll start braking from 100 kph at the same starting point. We'll see who stops first, me on the bike using the brakes or you sliding on the road using your skin (or leather or denim or whatever). I'd be willing to bet a large amount of money on the results. Hell, we'll even do this with me riding 2up.
 
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in case of the stunt video, it's obvious that he can't brake in time. if he stayed on the brakes his front wheel will hit and the bike might endo. he might land on his head/face. if he swerves the bike hard, he could still hit something else. so seems like laying the bike down was the safest option.
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An endo sounds like the best option to me. For one, the rider will shed more speed before impact. Two, a collision with a vehicle is highly plastic compared to say a curb, so it will more safely attenuate speed. Three, he's more likely to clear the obstacle by flying over it than under it. Four, he ends up sliding on the ground in the end anyways, which is what you guys are so keen to do.
 
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SkyRider said:
read all 4 pages got a really good laugh but i have yet to see people consider this.

yes tires and brakes are made for stopping and people think rubber and brakes stop faster BUT

- brakes and tires have to stop NOT ONLY the rider, but also the bike ITSELF. so rider 160 lbs and bike 400 lbs.
- if rider jumps off, thru sliding and rolling, the rider only needs to stop himself.
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This was already covered. We even considered pushing off the bike to transfer away some of your kinetic energy.

No need to experiment - you can watch racing footage or riders low-siding and decide for yourself how quickly they stop. I will say it seems they stop a lot faster than I would have expected.
 
SkyRider said:
in case of the stunt video, it's obvious that he can't brake in time. if he stayed on the brakes his front wheel will hit and the bike might endo. he might land on his head/face. if he swerves the bike hard, he could still hit something else. so seems like laying the bike down was the safest option.
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let me re-organize your post to make sure i understand it properly. there are 3 possible outcomes you describe.

outcome the first:
if he stayed on the brakes his front wheel will hit and the bike might endo. he might land on his head/face. The rider likely will crash, go over the vehicle and tumble on the other side.

outcome the second:
if he swerves the bike hard, he could still hit something else. So the rider might crash, they also might avoid hitting anything.

outcome the third:
so seems like laying the bike down was the safest option. The rider crashes on purpose. Not to mention there are still other perils, they may have saved themselves from hitting one car only to be run over by another car. Or they'll slide into some other very hard and immovable object resulting in multiple broken bones. "Out of the pot and into the fire" as it were. Ya it might work out ok for the rider but it's risky. Going all-in with a pair of 9s.

You genuinely think that that the 3rd outcome is the safest choice?
 
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CruisnGrrl said:
kinda, if people warning other people about your "skills" is popular... it's more like that thread in the trash....
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We are talking about real life here. We aren't talking about the internet. Might want to stick to the point.

Oh? Have you ridden with me? Or are you psychic and can tell exactly who a person is based on their online activities?
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fastar1 said:
An endo sounds like the best option to me. For one, the rider will shed more speed before impact. Two, a collision with a vehicle is highly plastic compared to say a curb, so it will more safely attenuate speed. Three, he's more likely to clear the obstacle by flying over it than under it. Four, he ends up sliding on the ground in the end anyways, which is what you guys are so keen to do.
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Oh and another thing... if you hit the car then there's a better chance they will stick around and be held accountable for their portion of blame. If you miss the car and they take off then it's a single vehicle accident.
 
fastar1 said:
Oh and another thing... if you hit the car then there's a better chance they will stick around and be held accountable for their portion of blame. If you miss the car and they take off then it's a single vehicle accident.
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What if it was caught on video? Im not sure if that counts as a single vehicle accident. The other driver might be charged with careless though.
 
Should one remove their framesliders to assist with stopping the bike?

I heard you should change your kneepucks to brakepads (get the low dust ones) to help increase safety.
 
Sushii said:
What if it was caught on video? Im not sure if that counts as a single vehicle accident. The other driver might be charged with careless though.
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Yeah, if you get a plate number on video then you're covered in case they hit & run. But that's not going to influence your "decision" to bail or not.
 
fastar1 said:
Yeah, if you get a plate number on video then you're covered in case they hit & run. But that's not going to influence your "decision" to bail or not.
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Its only counts as a hit & run if the other car hit you. What if there was no collision involved? Just you trying to avoid the other drive.
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