Opinion: Do you use your rear brake when emergency braking?

The exact opposite of that is true. If you use the FRONT brake all the weight is transferred to the front because the stopping point is at the front, so all the weight behind that is pushing forward still. Simple physics. That is the first thing you learn as a kid riding a bicycle, if you use your front brake only your weight will shift forward and you will go over the handle bars. Using the rear brake keeps the bike and rear end on the ground and is more stable than the front, not less. It's just that the front brake on a motorcycle has more stopping power (75%) so you should always use a combo of both brakes in an emergency stop.

You can still brake, to the point of cartwheeling a bike, while using both front and back brake. I rather surprised myself during a panic braking manoeuvre some years back, on the 410 south, when some moron swerved across three lanes in front of me while braking heavily, to make his exit. If anyone asks you, tell them that it IS possible to stoppie a VFR with linked brakes. My first and only rolling stoppie, and it happened at something just slightly north of 100 Kmh. I hope that I never do another.
 
what keeps you going straight is where you are looking and the inputs you're putting into steering the bike. the front wheel just follows the front, keep the front straight and looking straight and the rear wheel will stay straight.

LOL that's just a teaching tool, your eyes don't actually steer the bike!
 
The exact opposite of that is true. If you use the FRONT brake all the weight is transferred to the front because the stopping point is at the front, so all the weight behind that is pushing forward still. Simple physics. That is the first thing you learn as a kid riding a bicycle, if you use your front brake only your weight will shift forward and you will go over the handle bars. Using the rear brake keeps the bike and rear end on the ground and is more stable than the front, not less. It's just that the front brake on a motorcycle has more stopping power (75%) so you should always use a combo of both brakes in an emergency stop.
For the average rider front only is more effective on a sport bike on dry pavement as the rear should be almost floating above the ground not really doing anything in a controlled panic stop. This is not the same on a cruiser and you need the rear brake to effectivly stop. It seems to me this thread is helping the myth that you will go over the handlebars if you use the front hard. Too many riders who run into things belive this when they could have stopped if they learned to threshold break with the front. IMHO it is far better to learn to use the front to its full potential then learn about adding rear in a very gentle and controlled way.
 
If I'm not mistaken, you ride a sport bike.
a 250 is as much as a sports bike as my civic is a sports car

not hating on 250's, just making sure we are clear on what a sports bike is.
 
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For the average rider front only is more effective on a sport bike on dry pavement as the rear should be almost floating above the ground not really doing anything in a controlled panic stop. This is not the same on a cruiser and you need the rear brake to effectivly stop. It seems to me this thread is helping the myth that you will go over the handlebars if you use the front hard. Too many riders who run into things belive this when they could have stopped if they learned to threshold break with the front. IMHO it is far better to learn to use the front to its full potential then learn about adding rear in a very gentle and controlled way.

A reasonable standpoint.
 
This thread is going on a lot longer then i expected lol.

After reading all the comments, i still will not change my opinion on only using the front brake during emergency situations as i KNOW i will stomp on the rear brakes so it is better for me to just practice that (front brake only) during emergency braking. But i will continue to use my rear brakes daily for normal stops. To each their own right? Just because it works for you does not mean it'll work for someone else.
 
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a 250 is as much as a sports bike as my civic is a sports car

not heating on 250's, just making sure we are clear on what a sports bike is.

Are you heating on ZX's then? They're all motorcycles. As long as you're not talking about a rear drum, you are in somewhat the same ballpark. The rear drum I had you could stand on and not lock it.
 
Are you heating on ZX's then? They're all motorcycles. As long as you're not talking about a rear drum, you are in somewhat the same ballpark. The rear drum I had you could stand on and not lock it.

And the one I had (Yamaha XV535) you could lock up just by looking at it.
 
You also have to consider STEERING the bike. Sometimes threshold front braking while steering can lowside the bike, the rear will help stand the bike up and maintain proper balance.

I have a harley, my front brakes are my boots. jk. Carry on.
 
LOL that's just a teaching tool, your eyes don't actually steer the bike!

thats how i steer on a gravel road, 80+ km an hour and i look where i want to go, i don't make any purposeful steering inputs (this is to move from one side of the road to the other, sharp gravel road turns on a sport bike aren't recomended at that speed). and watching the way students end up going when they look to the side when they're doing the emergency braking shows that this is not just a teaching tool, looking one way or another does affect which direction the bike goes.
 
Me, V-twin sport bike, threshold braking involves a tiny tap on the rear (just from habit, really) as I also apply the fronts, then off the rear completely as soon as weight transfer to the front is nearly complete.

Wondering if all you folks who practice threshold braking on a regular basis actually practice it from the highest speeds you regularly ride. Anyone can do a nice, hard, progressive stop in a parking lot from 50 km/h. Hauling it down as hard as possible from 150 (or even 100) with the front tire howling and squirming and the rear lifting off the ground takes serious cohones.

Also, when you practice, do you *finish* the stop? i.e., come to a complete and total stop? Or do you let off at the last minute? The last bit could be pretty important if you are running up on the bumper of a stopped minivan, so best to practice it. Done properly, you can add more and more pressure to the lever until you are stopped completely, at which point the rear tire will come back to earth. On a sportbike on dry pavement, the rear brake has no useful involvement in any of this other than the initial 0.5 s or so. If you doubt this, you have never actually done it, so stop typing and go practice for real.
 
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On a sportbike on dry pavement, the rear brake has no useful involvement in any of this other than the initial 0.5 s or so. If you doubt this, you have never actually done it, so stop typing and go practice for real.

You sure about this??
 
The concern I have with this is that you've delayed activation of your most useful brake - your front. While you're initiating braking with your rear and waiting for the weight transfer, you've just travelled a considerable distance. I prefer to pound my front brakes immediately. Remember, we are discussing panic stops here, not planned decelerations.

But, you folks do what you want. I'm only responsible for me and the people I train.


The delay is only split second, I am actualy already using the front brake, just not as hard right away. I suppose the breaking threshold is also different for every type of bike. My bike doesnt have as strong of a front brake as lets say a SS type bike. But it is a lighte bike so for me using the rear just before I go hard on the front helps me stop quick and stay in control. I'd rather do this , than risk locking the front and highsiding.
 
How about this one then...http://www.msgroup.org/Tip.aspx?Num=064

Oh and I always pull the clutch in when braking. The engine is trying to move the bike forward and leaving it spinning negates some of your braking force (See at the bottom of the tip).
 
The delay is only split second, I am actualy already using the front brake, just not as hard right away.

That is 100% exactly right. Application of the front brake has to be progressive to permit enough time for weight transfer to occur. It takes a second or so, and then there is enough front traction to really lay into the lever. Grab too much of a handful too quickly (as you may do in a panic), and weight does not have time to transfer and you skid the front tire. This results in you tucking the front or, hopefully you let go in time to save it...but even then you have wasted a lot of braking distance. This is why practice matters so much - so that progressive application of the front is completely automatic, even in an emergency when the instinct is to grab a pile of front brake right away.

During the initial part of the weight transfer, the rear is still useful...but that doesn't last for long if you are any good at it.

I'd rather do this , than risk locking the front and highsiding.

Locking the front would cause a lowside, not a highside.
 
Soo.. let me get this straight. You have more stopping power/stability if u lightly use your rear brake and then heavy on your front brake?
 
I was always taught by my instructors to use both the front and rear brakes equally in an emergency stop during in my MSF course this summer.

I also learned that if your rear brakes lock then keep your body upright and handlebars straight keep your foot on the rear brake and just ride the skid out until you come to a stop.
 
Oh no... He brought the doctor into this...
 
This thread is going on a lot longer then i expected lol.

After reading all the comments, i still will not change my opinion on only using the front brake during emergency situations as i KNOW i will stomp on the rear brakes so it is better for me to just practice that (front brake only) during emergency braking. But i will continue to use my rear brakes daily for normal stops. To each their own right? Just because it works for you does not mean it'll work for someone else.

A reasonable standpoint.

Soo.. let me get this straight. You have more stopping power/stability if u lightly use your rear brake and then heavy on your front brake?

Only in theory, and to an infinitesimally small degree. It's still not worth the risk of locking up the rear, or worse locking up the rear and reacting by easing up pressure on the front and rear. Once again I say this in the context of a rider who is capable of unloading almost all the weight off the rear tire. If we can avoid having to focus on the rear brake then it's easier to focus on what's important; the front. The same reason why we don't downshift during emergency braking.
 
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