Advantages and disadvantages of graduated licensing?

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SkyRider said:
imo kinda annoying to base it purely on cc alone. should be based on hp and torque. ie, the ktm 690 only has 60hp, while a 600 SS with less cc but almost 2x the hp.
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Again. Its not about the power, it is about the rider.

Simple, there is no way that you could justify limitations. What have I done that makes me deserve a limitation? <-- thats what needs to be considered. Just because a few new riders die on SS's (ya this would have to be based on deaths and not lowsides in order for it to be taken seriously) does not give the right to limit everyone!

But your right... hell lets ban alcohol again too, too many people doing dumb **** while drunk! do i really need to throw out more examples as to how this way of thinking is not effective and actually quite damaging on society.

Not to mention the obvious reprocussion of a new rider buying an SS and not insuring it.
 
Holmes said:
Again. Its not about the power, it is about the rider.
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Three months exp as you claim, with no chicken strips on the street you are not living up to those words.

First don't worry about strips, any rider can buy a set of scrubs if they want to increase their dong size. Take your time, learn and enjoy the sport/hobby, stick around don't become a statistic.
 
You might get rid of some of the problems of riders riding uninsured bikes if there was a limitation in effect perhaps? If some kind of limit was in place the risk we currently have of younger guys on high powered bikes wouldn't exist...that might lower overall insurance rates by not spreading a bigger risk over everyone.

As for the "let people regulate themselves" thing, that never seems to work really does it. One prime example is the current financial crisis we're in. Let individuals regulate themselves and you'll get a sizeable minority that are just incapable of making any good judgement calls. Most people think they are good drivers/riders etc until someone gives them irrefutable proof they aren't and still some people would prefer to blame others than admit to really not being up to par.
 
Holmes said:
I highly disagree with this! Thats like saying you can buy a civic with your G2 and a Vette with your G.
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And a beginner driver with a Vette is probably pretty likely to spin out and crash the vette too...
Oh ya it would not work because if that was the case I would have got my licence prior and just sat on it till I could get the 600cc.
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You must not like riding all that much.
 
jc100 said:
As for the "let people regulate themselves" thing, that never seems to work really does it. One prime example is the current financial crisis we're in. Let individuals regulate themselves and you'll get a sizeable minority that are just incapable of making any good judgement calls. Most people think they are good drivers/riders etc until someone gives them irrefutable proof they aren't and still some people would prefer to blame others than admit to really not being up to par.
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That's what I mean. Adding further regulations and levels of regulations won't solve the fact that incredibly stupid people are getting licenses at a spectacularly alarming rate. Not at the level of enforcement we currently have, anyway. IMO, there's nothing wrong with the graduated system we have at the moment...other than the fact that it's shockingly easy to breeze through it and still not know what the hell you're doing. That's not a system design fault; that's an implementation fault.

Instead of putting in an overly complex, and potentially expensive graduated system...why not just increase the difficulty of the tests and enforce mandatory rider training within our current system? A defensive driving course wouldn't hurt either.

Education and training...that's the key to proper self regulation. Not more government induced shenanigans where they can tax my balls off....
 
Flashmonkey said:
That's what I mean. Adding further regulations and levels of regulations won't solve the fact that incredibly stupid people are getting licenses at a spectacularly alarming rate. Not at the level of enforcement we currently have, anyway. IMO, there's nothing wrong with the graduated system we have at the moment...other than the fact that it's shockingly easy to breeze through it and still not know what the hell you're doing. That's not a system design fault; that's an implementation fault.

Instead of putting in an overly complex, and potentially expensive graduated system...why not just increase the difficulty of the tests and enforce mandatory rider training within our current system? A defensive driving course wouldn't hurt either.

Education and training...that's the key to proper self regulation. Not more government induced shenanigans where they can tax my balls off....
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I kind of agree with you...I'd make the starter education courses mandatory and offer significant insurance discounts for riders that take advanced courses at regular intervals. I would still have an "experience" cap though to make sure a new rider can't hop on any bike he chooses to begin with.

Surprised nobody has mentioned how licence limits might affect the models of bikes available to us? Anyone?
 
Englishj said:
Three months exp as you claim, with no chicken strips on the street you are not living up to those words.

First don't worry about strips, any rider can buy a set of scrubs if they want to increase their dong size. Take your time, learn and enjoy the sport/hobby, stick around don't become a statistic.
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Im not worried about strips. My point is that i dont have them cuz i can ride with only 3 months experience. Not everyone has a hard time learning this ****. Its people who are afraid of the bike that get hurt and i have seen people afraid of 250s.
 
Not to piss on your parade but the step just beyond getting rid of your chicken strips is called lowsiding...plenty of people appear to have learned that the hard way and many did it after 3 months of riding. There's a really good reason why many people call them insurance strips.
 
jc100 said:
You might get rid of some of the problems of riders riding uninsured bikes if there was a limitation in effect perhaps? If some kind of limit was in place the risk we currently have of younger guys on high powered bikes wouldn't exist...that might lower overall insurance rates by not spreading a bigger risk over everyone.

As for the "let people regulate themselves" thing, that never seems to work really does it. One prime example is the current financial crisis we're in. Let individuals regulate themselves and you'll get a sizeable minority that are just incapable of making any good judgement calls. Most people think they are good drivers/riders etc until someone gives them irrefutable proof they aren't and still some people would prefer to blame others than admit to really not being up to par.
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I disagree. What is to stop that young guy from buying a 600 1000 or 1400 off kijiji. Its not the sellers responibility. Then he just runs it with no plates, and doesnt stop for cops. It would be a ******* mess.
 
Flashmonkey said:
Not at the level of enforcement we currently have, anyway. IMO, there's nothing wrong with the graduated system we have at the moment...
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So you are ok with being able to take a 30 question multiple choice test, and then proceed to go out and buy/ride any bike you please, as long as you don't ride at night or with any pops inside you. Then every 90 days, you can take the same test over and over again.
 
jc100 said:
Not to piss on your parade but the step just beyond getting rid of your chicken strips is called lowsiding...plenty of people appear to have learned that the hard way and many did it after 3 months of riding. There's a really good reason why many people call them insurance strips.
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Lol insurance strips. I like that.

But again the point was not the chicken strips. How else would you like me to illustrate my ability via the internet? It was to give a reference that a new rider can be a good rider.
Yes i know that sounds cocky.
 
Holmes said:
Im not worried about strips. My point is that i dont have them cuz i can ride with only 3 months experience. Not everyone has a hard time learning this ****. Its people who are afraid of the bike that get hurt and i have seen people afraid of 250s.
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In your three months of riding......

Riding at any speed slow or fast is a beautiful thing.
 
jc100 said:
I kind of agree with you...I'd make the starter education courses mandatory and offer significant insurance discounts for riders that take advanced courses at regular intervals. I would still have an "experience" cap though to make sure a new rider can't hop on any bike he chooses to begin with.

Surprised nobody has mentioned how licence limits might affect the models of bikes available to us? Anyone?
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I'm not sure we're a big enough market. I know kawi gave us a Ninja 400 because of whatever's going on in Quebec, but I think that's only because a few place in Europe have the same kind of limitations. I doubt we'd get the onslaught of awesome 4cyl 250cc bikes like in the old days, though.

I'm of the opinion that if we were to implement a size restriction on newer riders, we'd just see more riders die on 250's and 125's.

If I were to put something into effect, it would be to make it mandatory for a new rider to be carrying at least a G2 before being able to write the M1. That's just my take on it.
 
Englishj said:
So you are ok with being able to take a 30 question multiple choice test, and then proceed to go out and buy/ride any bike you please, as long as you don't ride at night or with any pops inside you. Then every 90 days, you can take the same test over and over again.
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LOL yea that may need some tweaking. Good point...I actually forgot about that part.
 
Englishj said:
In your three months of riding......

Riding at any speed slow or fast is a beautiful thing.
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what the **** is wrong with you dude. You really aren't comprehending anything I am saying are you?
 
Ok so if we don't impose restrictions onsize of motor then we need to seriously increase the difficulty of the tests. The m1 to m2 test should be twice as hard ( if it's possible to quantify it )
 
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