Kitchener man charged with racing – 177 km/h in 80 zone on motorcycle

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Bandit Bill said:
My assumptions are likely more grounded and realistic than the lot of you making assumptions about your own lofty skills at stupid excessive speed rates, with your heads stuffed up your own rectal cavities, that i am sure. Moral high ground taken or not, be damned.



Never. The cool kids rode early GSXR1100's and GPZ Ninja's. I was the dork on a 750 Seca or a done-up GS1000 that shedded parts. The cool kids liked to blow me into the weeds and watch me wobble in their wake. That's about as 'SS' as i ever got. Coolness scale fail.
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shedding parts? Ya that sounds safe
 
Bandit Bill said:
Speeds have been pretty much established following these guidelines.

Optimal fuel efficiency as set in the mid-1970's (highways).

Engineered road-design tolerances that are based upon the optimized speed limit and volume of vehicles using the roads, vs the wear and tear expected/experienced, minus a 20% safety cushion. Simply put, the more vehicles travelling the road, and the faster the vehicles are going, the quicker the road deteriorates. Roads cost money to build, maintain, and rebuild.

Speed limits are also influenced by statistical analysis of accidents/incidents over time.

Median abilities of the average Ontario driver as compared to other areas of the world .. lets face it, the term 'mediocre' comes to mind very quickly. Throw the legalized speed-demons into the mix with those fresh from the Crackerbox Driver's Acadamy, and Joe Old Fart who can't keep between the lines at 90 km/h.. recipe for incrimentally increasing disaster as the speeds would theoretically be correspondingly increased, as per the present state of Ontario's licencing standards. The phrase 'vehicular bloodbath' comes to mind..



So we should ignore the fact that all residences/businesses/communities/regions are serviced by roadways, and that those inordinately affected should just STFU? What does it matter if a road has 10 houses alongside of it, vs 100? We all pay into the road tax system equally - and i'm sure that 90% of us who pay taxes in would not appreciate vehicles screaming by at inappropriate rates of speed and sound volume. This applies whether we live in housing subdivisions, alongside the highway (those highway barriers aren't just for vehicles to play vehicular pin-ball..) or in rural areas that are "lightly inhabited".



Unless it's a revenue-motivated speed trap, which i agree is dirty pool, or you've been pulled over for being a numpty for other reasons .. most cops generally will ignore a certain percentile over the posted speed limits in Ontario. The same can't be said in many US states, where the speed limits are much more zealously enforced. Ever been pulled over for 4 mph over the posted 55 mph? I have .. can't say that i've really had a similar experience here in Ontario.



No real comment on this other than lights are supposed to be more or less properly synchronized to allow for reasonable traffic flow continuity at or near the traffic speed limitations. If you are jack-rabbiting to 65-70 in a 50 zone.. you are going to bump up against a red light more times, than not. Would you rather have speed bumps, instead? Also, European/British style roundabouts are a relatively recent experiment here, and they do appear to work to both control overall speed, and allow traffic to re-route as is necessary - but it takes time and money, to re-design roadways.

Traffic congestion because of a high population density in a relatively small geographic area, creates driver frustration. No other cure for that other than to build more roads, and spend money. Aren't the taxes that you pay, high enough already?



Fight... For your Right.. to Speed!

Pure comedy gold.
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you mentioned they were designed for people with median driving ability.....I think it was more for people with very Low driving abilities, like grandma in a snowstorm. People with better abilities, in optimum weather conditions, driving a vehicle that can stop and turn significantlr better than grandmas K-car should be able to travel a little faster I would think. As you mentioned most roses should have speed limits higher by 20 km/hr. Not to mention if the speed limits were higher there wouldn't be as many cars on the road at any given time......better for traffic.
 
Where are these people with better abilities you speak of? All I've seen are ****tards who wouldn't be able to pass their driving test in many countries let alone own high cc bikes.
 
jc100 said:
Where are these people with better abilities you speak of? All I've seen are ****tards who wouldn't be able to pass their driving test in many countries let alone own high cc bikes.
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:wave: but I'm kinda special.......in my own way
 
The Road Warrior said:
Dude probably opened it up for a couple of seconds, what's the big deal? Retarded laws.
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Lol...lets rob your house...damn retarded laws. Lets steal a few cars...damn...retarded laws. Lets drive the wrong way down one way streets...damn...retarded laws. Lets drop kick motorcyclists off their bikes for fun...damn...retarded laws.

Lets get schools to give everyone a quality education and instill some common sense and maturity....now there's a good idea.
 
jc100 said:
Lol...lets rob your house...damn retarded laws. Lets steal a few cars...damn...retarded laws. Lets drive the wrong way down one way streets...damn...retarded laws. Lets drop kick motorcyclists off their bikes for fun...damn...retarded laws.
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It's funny that in the same post you say something about common sense... :rolleyes:
 
jc100 said:
Lol...lets rob your house...damn retarded laws. Lets steal a few cars...damn...retarded laws. Lets drive the wrong way down one way streets...damn...retarded laws. Lets drop kick motorcyclists off their bikes for fun...damn...retarded laws.

Lets get schools to give everyone a quality education and instill some common sense and maturity....now there's a good idea.
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If you're going to make comparisons and use analogies, at least make some attempt to think up one that can be seen as logical and, at the bare minimum, intelligent.
 
turbodish said:
The regular patrol vehicles may be small, but all the major European countries have their various versions of high-powered, high-speed interceptors, whether two-wheeled or four, and they do chase the high-milers. In addition to that, their laws generally embrace the use of speed cameras and the vehicle owner's license is often held accountable for what happens with the vehicle even when the driver cannot be identified.

Roadside suspensions and vehicle impounds have been in place in Europe long before it was ever a thought in Ontario, and driver testing and vehicle inspection and licensing requirements are much more rigorous than you'll see anywhere in North America. I'd bet that many of the self-proclaimed uber-skilled on this forum would have a difficult time there, first in getting their license to begin with and then barring a major change in attitudes, in being able to keep that license.
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Having no experience in Europe at all, i definitely stand corrected. As strict as it is, or seems, it all makes sense too.
With such a high/dense population, things can get out of control pretty quickly. Their approach of getting a good grip on things at the first stage of the licensing/driving ladder is definitely a good one, weeds out the people you wouldn't want on the roads.

At times I wish it were more strict here in terms of aquiring a license in the first place. I'm sure we all have a story to back this wish up.

Curious. If the subject of this thread was caught doing 177 in an 80 in a European country, let's say UK, what would he be facing in terms of penalties, fines, etc
 
jeero said:
Having no experience in Europe at all, i definitely stand corrected. As strict as it is, or seems, it all makes sense too.
With such a high/dense population, things can get out of control pretty quickly. Their approach of getting a good grip on things at the first stage of the licensing/driving ladder is definitely a good one, weeds out the people you wouldn't want on the roads.

At times I wish it were more strict here in terms of aquiring a license in the first place. I'm sure we all have a story to back this wish up.

Curious. If the subject of this thread was caught doing 177 in an 80 in a European country, let's say UK, what would he be facing in terms of penalties, fines, etc
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If it was Ghost Rider, nothing :).
 
Nixel said:
If you're going to make comparisons and use analogies, at least make some attempt to think up one that can be seen as logical and, at the bare minimum, intelligent.
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I refer the honourable gentleman to my comment about education.
 
jc100 said:
Lol...lets rob your house...damn retarded laws. Lets steal a few cars...damn...retarded laws. Lets drive the wrong way down one way streets...damn...retarded laws. Lets drop kick motorcyclists off their bikes for fun...damn...retarded laws.

Lets get schools to give everyone a quality education and instill some common sense and maturity....now there's a good idea.
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Every thing you just mentioned directly affects another person... 177 in an 80 does not (YES THERE IS A CHANCE OF SOME FORM OF A COLLISION BUT IT DIDNT HAPPEN SO STOP HYPOTHESIZING)

jc100 and turbo.. i am dying to slap both you lil punk *** bitches


and here comes the ban...
 
If the unwritten speed limits in Ontario (120 HWY, 100 Rural Road) were applied, there would be a lot less backlash with HTA172. A good defense for someone facing an HTA172 charge would be to drive the highway with GoPro on helmet recording vehicle to speedo repeatedly. "Judge there is not ONE vehicle driving 100 KPH, and it is my view that the general public knows this, as well as the police. If you drive 100 KPH you are unsafe and are going to cause an accident." Therefore, the HTA172 "limit" should be based in "reality" not "theory" and the limit to cross into an HTA172 offense should be 170 KPH (50 over).

A lot of people are ragging on this guy, I feel sorry for him. It appears his only mistake was stopping for this BS predatory law. It has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with money.
 
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Holmes said:
Every thing you just mentioned directly affects another person... 177 in an 80 does not (YES THERE IS A CHANCE OF SOME FORM OF A COLLISION BUT IT DIDNT HAPPEN SO STOP HYPOTHESIZING)

jc100 and turbo.. i am dying to slap both you lil punk *** bitches


and here comes the ban...
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Driving the wrong way down a one way street affects who exactly? What if the street is empty? That's OK then right? Lets just ignore the signs then.

Mugging one of your family ONLY affects one person really....that's not a lot really compared to the entire population...small beans...stop being such a whiny girlie about it.

Hmm pick and mix laws.....a great concept.
 
jeero said:
Curious. If the subject of this thread was caught doing 177 in an 80 in a European country, let's say UK, what would he be facing in terms of penalties, fines, etc
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I did some checking on this online - i was curious also.

Since they work on the imperial system in the UK, i had to switch things over ..

80 km/h == 49.7 mph
177 km/h == 109.98 mph

And this is what the site came up with, assuming the rider had a clean licence and more than 2 years experience before the oopsie on a non-motorway (Non 400 series highway, here) .. http://www.drivingban.co.uk/drivingban/free_legal_advice_help/speeding_calculator.htm

How long had you held your licence at the time of the alleged offence?
More than 2 years - full driving licence.

How many penalty points have been endorsed on your driving licence in the 3 years prior to the offence under review?
0.

Speed limit?
50 mph.

Speed alleged?
110 mph.
Calculations

Excess of speed limit
60 mph.

Percentage over limit
120%.

Maximum Penalty/Court Guidelines

The information detailed below is by way of a guideline only and does not amount to a specific legal opinion. It does not take into account regional or local variations. If reference is made to a Court Summons, the information supplied is based on the recommended sentencing powers available to Magistrates. However, inevitably Magistrates exercise their discretion in different ways.

If a disqualification is imposed by way of an instant ban for the offence, you will not receive penalty points as well.

Will I be offered a Speed Awareness Court?

Although you can attempt to persuade the Police to offer a speed awareness course, the decision is entirely at their discretion and there is no obligation to offer a course at any stage. Most Police forces will only offer courses to first time offenders or to motorists who have committed a relatively minor offence.

*** If you are offered a speed awareness course and comply with the terms, the following information will not be relevant. ***

Maximum penalty points?
6.

Do I face a driving ban?
Yes.

Will I receive a Court Summons?
Yes.

Can I plead guilty by post?
Although the Summons may indicate that a letter will be accepted, if there is any prospect of disqualification, the Court will reject the letter and demand your attendance on a new date.

Maximum driving ban?
Up to 90 days.

*** Please Note: Your speed is so far in excess of the speed limit that there is also a risk that you will face the charge of dangerous driving (Minimum 1 year ban). ***Maximum fine?
The fine is means tested up to £1,000 (Non Motorway).

*** Please Note: Your speed is so far in excess of the speed limit that there is also a risk that you will face the charge of dangerous driving (Unlimited fine). ***
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Yikes.
 
Prince said:
If the unwritten speed limits in Ontario (120 HWY, 100 Rural Road) were applied, there would be a lot less backlash with HTA172. A good defense for someone facing an HTA172 charge would be to drive the highway with GoPro on helmet recording vehicle to speedo repeatedly. "Judge there is not ONE vehicle driving 100 KPH, and it is my view that the general public knows this, as well as the police. If you drive 100 KPH you are unsafe and are going to cause an accident." Therefore, the HTA172 "limit" should be based in "reality" not "theory" and the limit to cross into an HTA172 offense should be 170 KPH (50 over).

A lot of people are ragging on this guy, I feel sorry for him. It appears his only mistake was stopping for this BS predatory law. It has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with money.
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case closed
 
jc100 said:
Driving the wrong way down a one way street affects who exactly? What if the street is empty? That's OK then right? Lets just ignore the signs then.

Mugging one of your family ONLY affects one person really....that's not a lot really compared to the entire population...small beans...stop being such a whiny girlie about it.

Hmm pick and mix laws.....a great concept.
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Wow... can I meet you? I have this desire to try and cure stupid! You are making a non nonsensical arguement. How can you compare speeding to a criminal offence?
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