Track riding miscoception - by street riders

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you watched a Youtube video and immediately made the statement that you can go faster than that?

You can watch youtube videos of pro superbike races at the same track you commented on and to the inexperienced eye, the bikes LOOK like they're not going very fast.

bike mounted perception changes EVERYTHING.
 
Venom01 said:
If I thought I knew everything then why would I be asking questions about taking a racing school course and not just skipping that and doing a track day?

On top of that, yeah that pace and speed shown in that video is quite onto my pace of my rides (obviously not a constant, were talking public roads) didn't say I'd be lapping them. You must be too used to hotheads making very boastful claims.
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reciprocity said:
you watched a Youtube video and immediately made the statement that you can go faster than that?

You can watch youtube videos of pro superbike races at the same track you commented on and to the inexperienced eye, the bikes LOOK like they're not going very fast.

bike mounted perception changes EVERYTHING.
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Uhh no, those pro guys are moving anyone who thinks different is obviously blind.

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OK, it has been quite a few years since the last time I did FAST. However, when I did it, you had plenty of "alone" time at the track where you were just doing your own thing. They had transponders on the bikes then they would slot you into groups close to your riding ability.... so that the times where you go out with an instructor there isn't a disparity with other riders in your group of 3 or 4.

Things may have changed a little, but I don't think by too much. So yes you have lots of alone time with no instructor in front of you.
 
Venom01, don't get wound up over recipe's bedside manner, he's giving you some valuable info.

You're right that you go as fast as in the video on the street, on the straights. It's comical to watch all the hotshot noobs rock down the front straight at Shannonville and then brake for turn 1. For them, that's going "fast", anybody with sufficient range of motion in their wrist can go "fast". Your instructor is trying to show you how to get around a racetrack quickly, which involves much more than going "fast", braking, turning reference points, cornering lines etc.

It's the same at every trackday, I have a bunch of bees swarming around on the straight and when I roll into the corner at a pace slightly faster than walking (feels like to me), I turn around mid-corner and I'm alone looking back at a bunch of lost souls trying to find ther way home.

If you're really good, stick close to your instructor and ride on the line he/she is showing you and you'll get their attention, no words are necessary. I hope to see you at a GOLO day.
 
TMP Thursday is only $90+tax all day.(If you buy a package, even cheaper. I bought TMP gift cards at 20% off, so only $72+tax) If you do not like to ride all day for a "boring" track, then Turn 2 evening at TMP is only $75+Tax for 3+ hours of riding.
If going around the truck is boring for you, you do not know anything about riding around the track yet. So much to learn... for a few km track.
Ontario offers the best opportunities for track riding in Canada. Yeah, it would be nice to experience much better International class circuits... but wait... we have Mosport, Calabogie, and if you go to QC, there is Mt. Tremblant, yes, it is a few hundreds$$$ but cheaper than flying to Europe...and you can bring your own bike...
Where I am from(Japan), we have so many twisty roads and they are mostly well maintained. it is so enjoyable to ride on street.... but Ontario street?... really? So boring and dangerous as well. As a transportation, I prefer to use a car here in Ontario... just for safety reason.
Just my opinion.
 
Metastable said:
OK, it has been quite a few years since the last time I did FAST. However, when I did it, you had plenty of "alone" time at the track where you were just doing your own thing. They had transponders on the bikes then they would slot you into groups close to your riding ability.... so that the times where you go out with an instructor there isn't a disparity with other riders in your group of 3 or 4.

Things may have changed a little, but I don't think by too much. So yes you have lots of alone time with no instructor in front of you.
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I like that, sounds great.
And rep, I always feel you and I get off on the wrong foot. Its like you take what I say and explode it into some sorta huge boastful claim that I'm not making. I know the people you speak of, I meet them all the time. The guy with the brand spanking new r6. They talk about how fast they are, and in a straight line they sure are. They blow past me all the time. Then a nice simple corner comes up and all I see in fonts of me are taillights glowing as they screech to a halt and turtle around the bend. No body position not keeping their heads level to the horizon, not looking though the corner all in all twisted. By no means I have a fast bike. Its old, its slow compared to today's bikes, but my game is trying to grasp every technique I can edcucate myself on. By no means have I learned everything. However I started off small on a small bike way back when I started and SLOWLY through obvious practice and slowly pushing myself little bits at a time I am now at a point where if I want to push further I'm only gonna try on the track. I know what I can do and more important what I still cant do. And even though my current bike is not by at all means moderen or super quick I still know that I can't take it to the limits of its abilities. However I am quite confident of what I can do with it and what I have done with it. NOT that it means anything what's so ever I'm at a point where I'm ready to push it further. Pro instructions bring it on, the more the better. I just don't want to be stuck paying for some techniques I already know, improve on them? You bet! I Dont know how else I can explain this. However other people here have given me great first hand experiences and its sounding better all the time. Mind you I do know that this is an internet forums an verbal diarrhea (in type form of course) is rampant and almost a given 90% of the time. So I do understand why you take an aggressive stance with your post. Im not one of those. If it my experience i say so. Obviously your experiences far out weight mine. And I'm sure you run into real boasting hotheads all the time, it just seems for some reason that with a lot of bikers (but definitely not all) that there **** is too hot to touch. I'd never say that about myself. So in case you did, please don't get any impression that I'm doing that. I can ride, o can hold my own. I'm no pro and no track star (duh) but I also not ignorant of certain things. I have been. I Learn and move on and try to improve.


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Let me tell you, that whole post is on great big testament to the amazing capabilities of... tapatalk LOL!
 
jc100 said:
Yep, but see my post, it will cost you. In Europe anyone can take their bike/car round one of the more technical/longest tracks on the continent for 14 euros ($20 CDN), I don't know anywhere here where that's remotely possible for that price, you have to pay for the whole day at upwards of $300 on the cheap end. I asked a racing outfit at a bike show if it was possible just to take a bike out for a lap of a track and was told well, for the weekend it would be $800. That's a joke, for $800 I can be sipping margaritas on a beach for a week in the sun. Some people have zero interest in spending their day going round and round the same track, I know I dont. It would be good if there was a place you could just boot around once or twice.
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Nurburgring: Swipe a credit card, do a lap. Swipe a credit card, do a lap. Swipe a credit card, do a lap. Swipe a credit card, do a lap.

Canadian Track School: Swipe your credit card. Be given bike, boots, gloves, leathers, helmet, and track-prepped bike for the day. Get instruction by some of the best riders in the country, with individual critique. Toss the bike away and completely wad it, and you're out the insurance deductible. Jump on another bike and continue.
 
If you'll pay for my bike in full (cash deposit is fine!) you're welcome to try taking turn one without braking... I was getting impromptu wheelies and bar shake at the top of fourth gear yesterday afternoon on the SMP back straight. Not fair if you don't accelerate, mind... but then again... if you pay, it's your game...!
 
Shaman said:
If you'll pay for my bike in full (cash deposit is fine!) you're welcome to try taking turn one without braking... I was getting impromptu wheelies and bar shake at the top of fourth gear yesterday afternoon on the SMP back straight. Not fair if you don't accelerate, mind... but then again... if you pay, it's your game...!
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Your bike is so cool.

Someday I'll have a 1000cc Superbike too.. someday..
 
Venom01 said:
Sometimes I wonder why I use it at all.

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Venom01 said:
I like that, sounds great.
And rep, I always feel you and I get off on the wrong foot. Its like you take what I say and explode it into some sorta huge boastful claim that I'm not making. I know the people you speak of, I meet them all the time. The guy with the brand spanking new r6. They talk about how fast they are, and in a straight line they sure are. They blow past me all the time. Then a nice simple corner comes up and all I see in fonts of me are taillights glowing as they screech to a halt and turtle around the bend. No body position not keeping their heads level to the horizon, not looking though the corner all in all twisted. By no means I have a fast bike. Its old, its slow compared to today's bikes, but my game is trying to grasp every technique I can edcucate myself on. By no means have I learned everything. However I started off small on a small bike way back when I started and SLOWLY through obvious practice and slowly pushing myself little bits at a time I am now at a point where if I want to push further I'm only gonna try on the track. I know what I can do and more important what I still cant do. And even though my current bike is not by at all means moderen or super quick I still know that I can't take it to the limits of its abilities. However I am quite confident of what I can do with it and what I have done with it. NOT that it means anything what's so ever I'm at a point where I'm ready to push it further. Pro instructions bring it on, the more the better. I just don't want to be stuck paying for some techniques I already know, improve on them? You bet! I Dont know how else I can explain this. However other people here have given me great first hand experiences and its sounding better all the time. Mind you I do know that this is an internet forums an verbal diarrhea (in type form of course) is rampant and almost a given 90% of the time. So I do understand why you take an aggressive stance with your post. Im not one of those. If it my experience i say so. Obviously your experiences far out weight mine. And I'm sure you run into real boasting hotheads all the time, it just seems for some reason that with a lot of bikers (but definitely not all) that there **** is too hot to touch. I'd never say that about myself. So in case you did, please don't get any impression that I'm doing that. I can ride, o can hold my own. I'm no pro and no track star (duh) but I also not ignorant of certain things. I have been. I Learn and move on and try to improve.


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Venom01 said:
I'd never say that about myself. So in case you did, please don't get any impression that I'm doing that. I can ride, o can hold my own. I'm no pro and no track star (duh) but I also not ignorant of certain things. I have been. I Learn and move on and try to improve

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How do you know this? that you can ride? that you can hold your own?

Hold your own against who? in what conditions?

You have NO experience so you have no capability to make this kind of statement, you claim not be tooting your own horn, but then you claim "I CAN RIDE and HOLD MY OWN" in the same sentence.

Kinda contradictory I'd say.

I'm getting at the fact that if you go into ANY learning situation with the impression that you already know ANYTHING, you're short changing yourself.

Show up and pretend you don't know anything, you'll find you won't be complaining about the costs of this sport, but thinking in your head "I can't believe the only make me pay $XXX and I don't get thrown in jail for this!"
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