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would it be disrespectful??

It used to be like that, but got out of hand. I agree it's good to learn from others mistakes. But there was more than a few times it's was extremely bad judgment on the riders part that caused the accident, and it was a total **** storm when anyone even questioned what happened.
 
It would open a can of worms. Let's have respect for those who pass and talk about these things in another thread w/o bringing the original person into it.
 
I doubt that the dead really care, it's the living that you might offend. Some of their buddies might want to keep the illusion that they are safe riders, even though they ride the same way. There's also a consideration if there is a lawsuit pending.

Should not be an issues if names, dates, and places don't come up. But then some people will call bs and refuse to learn anything...but what can you do?


It would be disrespectful to say I'll look for you in the fallen rider section to those running out to buy a super sport to kill themselves on.

Would it have any positive impact? Could it possibly save a life?
 
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first off, after an accident, you shouldnt be posting you first hand account, you should be telling that to the police, and keeping that information there. keep it off the interwebz

second, unless you are the one who went down, and would like to share what could have been done differently to avoid it, do not post any theories, of the accident.
 
rukus said:
first off, after an accident, you shouldnt be posting you first hand account, you should be telling that to the police, and keeping that information there. keep it off the interwebz

second, unless you are the one who went down, and would like to share what could have been done differently to avoid it, do not post any theories, of the accident.
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So if you manage to kill yourself, we should refuse to learn from it and keep the option open for everyone to repeat your mistake.
 
I must admit that when I was deciding whether or not to even pursue this sport, I did refer to the fallen rider section as a means to help make the decision. The stories were very sad, and yet there was always something to be gained from reading each one. Some of the things that those riders did to pay the ultimate price who hasn't done and just been a bit more lucky?
I would hope that those fallen would not have any issue with anyone who learns from their experience. I know I wouldn't, even though I wouldn't be around to say that. Personally, I feel that the analyzing should be kept to myself, and would hope others would too for the sake of those family and friends of the deceased..
 
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Yes it would be very helpful and this is done with aircraft accidents. COPA used to publish the details as facts so that others would learn. The internet has messed this up because now anyone can post their presumptions, opinions and unfortunately, tasteless remarks.

The only way it would work would be to have a dedicated person research the collisions and do a factual report. The other possibility is to publish the police report but I don't know the legal issues.

Either way it's a lot of work to keep on top of all the Rider Down posts.

The only simple ones might be where the OP Is the rider that went down. Even there people bend the truth.
 
I think it would be good practice for those that are aware of the circumstances and that realize others could learn from it to post up. I also realize that it can be quite contentious.

If I am the subject of a fallen rider thread, I personally would have no problem with the facts of the incident being posted so that others can be aware and take any lessons they can from it. But, it would be annoying to my friends and family to read pages of mindless comments about what I should or should not have done to prevent getting killed.

For example, if someone posted the facts of a rider getting killed by a left turner at a busy intersection that would be useful information. To have pages of comments about how that rider should have ridden more defensively, positioned themselves better, ridden slower, ridden faster, used their high beams, not used their high beams, had loud pipes, not had loud pipes, weave, ride straight, wear more gear, wear less gear, use a full face helmet, use an open face helmet, be more situationally aware, etc. would be irritating.

And so, given that people can't refrain from posting pages of arguments, I think the mods are taking the best approach of leaving the matter alone.
 
I think for the survivors of the crash, they have the best first hand knowledge of the accident so they should be the ones to give the most correct info under their discretion and answer questions. For those that didn't make it, have respect for them and just post your condolensces. There is a post i made for Crash Survivors in the Romper Room where u can learn from others crashes.
 
Inevitably, someone insults the dead. For that reason, it really can't be done. If it could be kept to an antiseptic analysis of the incident, then that would be another thing completely, but it never stays that way.
 
There are plenty of categories to post. Fallen riders section is to pay your respect to the fallen rider(s). Let's keep it that way. If you want to share an experience, that can be posted in the general topic area.
 
There are other boards that discuss things like that. A rider crashing or dropping his bike in the GTA isn't much different from other places in the world.
 
Apparently you can post whatever you like in the fallen riders section, just go browse a few threads and see for yourself.
Either that or it's poorly moderated.
It's full of comments that are clearly against the rules posted > "Condolences and well wishes only. Any other posts will be deleted. This is NOT the place to discuss whether a rider was right or wrong!"

For example, Liz's thread.
A couple people have several posts in there with anything but well wishes and condolences.
One post is enough, don't turn it into a discussion.
They didn't even disable their stupid giant signature with all kinds of crazy crap or links we don't need to read in there.

One disrespectful fool even turned it into a group ride event, followed by a "look at me, look at me!!!" comment about the funeral ride video, like we really give a crap if you were one of the 150 bikes there?!?.... :confused:

For those that don't know how or didn't realize, please remove your sigs in that section.
Edit post > Go Advanced > Uncheck the box for signature.

Ps > Use your damn head when you post in that section. Show some respect.
 
oh yeah, what actually happened in Liz's case?

but there are only so many ways a rider can crash.

- getting rear ended
- lock up the front/rear
- left turn cager
- got cut off by a cager
- too fast for a corner
- sand in the corner
- bad wheelie
- tank slapper
- streetcar tracks

surely there are a few more but above are the common ones. all of which have solutions to the problem. not the rear end one cuz sometimes when the rider hears or sees the car coming up from behind it's already too late.
 
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It is really sad to see so many postings in the Fallen Riders/In Memory section and it definitely isnt the place to discuss the hows or whys of such a tragic event. But if someone had FIRSTHAND knowledge -- not what someone heard happened -- of why a collision or fall came about, would it be wrong to mention it in the general thread so that other riders could perhaps learn something from it that could possibly save their own life? I'm sure we all have some poor habits and perhaps a cold reminder of the consequence could be a benefit?
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I wouldn't believe any "eye witness" account I read on here. I'd only believe an accident reconstruction specialist if one worked on that event, or my own two eyes if there existed videos/pictures.

Unfortunately others on GTAM aren't as descriminating so it leads to confusion and sometimes invective discussion. In one such case there were three quite incompatible stories that come out one at a time to explain a particular crash. Some people here believed each and every story in succession, without question.

That said, you could post your observations in a "what if this happened?" kind of way. Then again, some people have trouble distinguishing between hypothetical and actual recollections of events so I dunno.
 
As much as many think that people learn from others mistakes, it rarely happens. We have decades worth of documentation of bike crashes. if we all learned from others mistakes, would that not mean we should already know and have learned? Human nature is that you learn from your own mistakes. While you may think reading about how someone died that you did not know helps you, it will be gone from your mind after you read the next thread.
 
I'm down for people keeping their mouths closed, and their opinions about the affairs of others to themselves. That's just my opinion, however. You're welcome to talk as much as you'd like, but these things generally come back to reflect on you.
 
I dont know what the actual stats are in Ontario, but i would say that the rider error portion of accidents is greater then 50% of all accidents. my gues is that its more in the 75% mark.

Nobody wants to hear about how their buddy/loved one/co-worker etc.. messed up and ended up dead as a result. They already know and have to live with that knowledge for the rest of their lives.

Nobody wants to hear a stranger chime in and say " I told you so" "told u to start on a smaller bike" etc..
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