Which Is Faster: Weaving in Traffic or Staying in One Lane?

GreyGhost said:
That's not surprising. Do it with a bike that can jump lanes easier (smaller holes and easier to match speed of entering lane) and it is faster still. Risk climbs again though.
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I think the point they were making (and please correct me if I'm wrong) is that weaving is IN MOST INSTANCES statistically insignificant ?
 
TK4 said:
I think the point they were making (and please correct me if I'm wrong) is that weaving is IN MOST INSTANCES statistically insignificant ?
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Up to 25% faster is statistically insignficant? If you want a straight comparison, on average weaving was 14% faster ((4+5+23+25)/4). Not a big deal on a 10 minute drive but over an hour or more, it can be a significant amount of time. Obviously at the expense of risk and most likely increased fuel consumption (although it is california and EV's are happy with the accelerate/decelerate cycle).
 
What it means to me is that there is better lane discipline in California. Notice that the lanes arrived in the same order as the lanes they were in.
In the GTA, I would expect the inside lane to be fastest, and the passing lane the slowest.
If the weaver knew when to switch, they might do better than 25%.

Also why 25% and not 4%?
 
Baggsy said:
What it means to me is that there is better lane discipline in California. Notice that the lanes arrived in the same order as the lanes they were in.
In the GTA, I would expect the inside lane to be fastest, and the passing lane the slowest.
If the weaver knew when to switch, they might do better than 25%.

Also why 25% and not 4%?
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If you're in the GTA and one of many drivers that use the ramps as an extra lane (often including the shoulder between the off-ramp and on-ramp) you can really start saving a lot of time. To hell with traffic laws and safety but you won the race.
 
I think it makes very little difference in the majority of time...one lane moves...then it stops...and it moves again...and it stops...and hopping back and forth may help out, but you get caught once and you lose out on the benefit. Plus the risk goes up.

I drive the 401 two-three times/week...and I usually park myself in a single lane and watch cars/trucks that are distinctive and can track...9/10 times...we get to the area of the 401 that opens up around the same time. Obviously anecdotal as it's only my experience.

 
GreyGhost said:
Up to 25% faster is statistically insignficant? If you want a straight comparison, on average weaving was 14% faster ((4+5+23+25)/4). Not a big deal on a 10 minute drive but over an hour or more, it can be a significant amount of time. Obviously at the expense of risk and most likely increased fuel consumption (although it is california and EV's are happy with the accelerate/decelerate cycle).
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On a one hour commute, 25% means you get there 15 minutes sooner - fair enough but how often can that realistically happen ?
14% on the same one hour commute is around 8 minutes, is it worth taking the chance ?
The drivers in the 416 are (for the most part) idiots, factor in the heavy truck presence on 400 series highways and I sincerely doubt you can match the Mythbusters numbers.
 
GreyGhost said:
If you're in the GTA and one of many drivers that use the ramps as an extra lane (often including the shoulder between the off-ramp and on-ramp) you can really start saving a lot of time. To hell with traffic laws and safety but you won the race.
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Saw a couple guys on SS bikes this morning running about 3x the 401 moving speed at 401/Dixon along the shoulders and in/out of the lanes...

Looked like fun. Until it isn't.
 
TK4 said:
On a one hour commute, 25% means you get there 15 minutes sooner - fair enough but how often can that realistically happen ?
14% on the same one hour commute is around 8 minutes, is it worth taking the chance ?
The drivers in the 416 are (for the most part) idiots, factor in the heavy truck presence on 400 series highways and I sincerely doubt you can match the Mythbusters numbers.
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I get it and I'm not going to argue for either approach. I had a similar discussion with a friends dad. We both left for their family cottage at the same time. Cottage is most of six hours from their house. Dad drives speed limit. My friend drives 20 over. When we got to the cottage, dad was still over 100 km away. Speed difference wasn't huge or unreasonable but over time it really adds up.
 
makes a difference for sure! especially on a route where you know the patterns
as an example on my commute i know that if traffic backs up a x ramp or exit i have to get to y lane for smoother traffic and id say im right most of the time
 
GreyGhost said:
If you're in the GTA and one of many drivers that use the ramps as an extra lane (often including the shoulder between the off-ramp and on-ramp) you can really start saving a lot of time. To hell with traffic laws and safety but you won the race.
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You mean the right lane of the Gardiner Eastbound after Jarvis? It wasn't intended as a ramp.
Same with the Gardiner Westbound. Some of the "ramps" are so long that they are lanes that eventually merge.
If people didn't move all the way left to avoid the ramps, and merge way too early, some crossing the solid line or hitting the concrete barrier, traffic would flow much smoother. Some are willing to risk sideswiping you to get in sixty seconds early, and then let ten others in ahead of them.
If the intention was to use these long lanes that merge as ramps, they could simply make it a one way only lane change with paint, and put a traffic law in place.
 
LePhillou said:
makes a difference for sure! especially on a route where you know the patterns
as an example on my commute i know that if traffic backs up a x ramp or exit i have to get to y lane for smoother traffic and id say im right most of the time
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Exactly. Every repetitive route I've driven has always its pattern of which lanes move faster and where.
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