Touring in China

[nobbie48]

Not sure if this has been covered but it's touring from the perspective from a M/C.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9eXi3RL8q4

The GoPro footage gives the feeling of riding with some interesting insight to Chinese culture.

 

[RockerGuy]

Just by scanning that dude's channel I can see he is very Anti-China. Why go to a place that frequently if you hate the place?

 

[inreb]

I'm anti-China because I scanned that dudes channel. Will not frequent the place. Not understanding the $500 billion trade deficit.

 

[matthew]

gwai lo

 

[Riceburner]

Speaks pretty good Mandarin though. As for the state of the buildings... communist + poverty = rundown buildings no one wants to pay out of pocket to fix.

 

[nobbie48]

Speaks pretty good Mandarin though. As for the state of the buildings... communist + poverty = rundown buildings no one wants to pay out of pocket to fix.

It seemed odd for a couple of Caucasians to be speaking but assume they grew up there due to parents being in business / government etc. I knew a guy here that grew up in Chinatown and he was relatively fluent but watching him talk was like watching Bonanza dubbed into Chinese. I just seemed weird.

English doesn't have too many tonal word changes. Invalid may be one, depending on how you place the emphasis. It can mean a crippled person or no longer legitimate as in an expired drivers license. I gather Chinese has a lot of tonal meanings.

I can somewhat understand the not my building, not my problem attitude. When I was renting a shop I resented spending money on things I couldn't take with me when I moved on. When I got my own place the right expenditure got a payback.

 

[nobbie48]

Just by scanning that dude's channel I can see he is very Anti-China. Why go to a place that frequently if you hate the place?

I got the impression they grew up there and were slumming, just like some people here like ghost towns and abandoned buildings. Riding through a sanitary suburb is boring. Rural China or Chernobyl (Even if fake) would be a chance to see how others live. As far as seeing how others eat, I'll stick to the suburbs.

Their other videos give their impressions of other aspects of Chinese life. Some of which tends to match what is being expressed in the popular media.

 

[RockerGuy]

Here's my 2c. We all know the place is communist social rule, first thing that should be expected is "don't expect too much". But what you can't dismiss is that it is doing pretty good for what it is. They have opened up quite a bit compared to 20 yrs ago. People can actually run Businesses there compared to many yrs ago where it is state owned. For a communist country it is actually successful. I can't think of another communist country who has done as well. Bear in mind that country has only settled after it's civil war from the late forties. Most Western countries already had their civil wars & had a longer more established government for longer period.

It's funny because China is opening up to more freedom as the West & The West is accepting Socialism more.

China is a direct competitor to the West on an economic scale as well as military might. I get that. But don't blame that on them, blame your politicians. With the increase in minimum wage the jobs will obviously go to China. China did what most would do & that is they made use of their abundant human resources. It's what any business savvy person would do.

 

[nobbie48]

It's funny because China is opening up to more freedom as the West & The West is accepting Socialism more.
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I chuckle when the muricans brag about freedom, equality and rights.

In a lot of places in the USA you can't video a cop.

In some places you can't take pics of food processing sites

A lot of the rights are taken for granted, unless you're black

Free enterprise is full of kickbacks and subsidies

What I enjoy about these guys is the roads they take. Few superslabs and lots of interesting scenery. Places not unlike those in the USA that would have you facing the wrong end of a shotgun. Opinions are taken with a grain of salt as usual.

 

[SaugaRider]

Just by scanning that dude's channel I can see he is very Anti-China. Why go to a place that frequently if you hate the place?

He's not anti chinese, they live there for many years. The video titles are just clickbait, they have their own personal channels too

 

[Roadghost]

Looks like a Canadian Indian reserve. Nobody fixes anything because it's all the government's job. It is the inherent problem with socialism.

 

[Riceburner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2_L71lFItk

...white boys bitching about a Communist and racial state.
Being Chinese is as much race as it is nationality....in China. Racism is strong in China....as well as elsewhere.....


Re their vids: Interesting views from a western perspective though.

 

[nobbie48]

Looks like a Canadian Indian reserve. Nobody fixes anything because it's all the government's job. It is the inherent problem with socialism.

One problem, related to me by a first nation gent near Caledonia, is that the land belongs to the tribe. If an individual fixes a house up he can't sell it to an outsider. Houses on leased land aren't worth much. On top of that there are a couple of centuries of questionable deals.

 

[inreb]

One problem, related to me by a first nation gent near Caledonia, is that the land belongs to the tribe. If an individual fixes a house up he can't sell it to an outsider. Houses on leased land aren't worth much. On top of that there are a couple of centuries of questionable deals.

How does that explain the messy yards? Or, like, do they dust their living rooms? Or is that whiteys hangup?

 

[Riceburner]

No incentive to have curb appeal as it won't aid re-sale. Why bother cleaning up the yard if the house has flaking paint (if there's paint) or other damage. Kinda like the broken window theory.

 

[TorontoBoy]

These guys are riding in an extremely rural area of southern Guangdong China. You notice there is almost no one around? All the young and middle aged people are gone to find work elsewhere. If they wish to compare Kumamoto Castle in Japan to a remote and run down small village in China, that is not a fair comparo. Large tourist sites, such as the Forbidden City, are very well maintained in Beijing and the larger cities.

Public spaces in China are not maintained by home owners but by the government, therefore they can be really run down. Why do the government's work?

Much of China is still rural. They use mud for walls, and they do not last very long. If no one is living there there is no need to maintain it. When someone with money moves in then it gets maintained.

I'd be very careful riding around various parts of China, because much of China can be closed to foreigners. The police will confiscate your bikes, fine you and them deport you. Worse still if you meet a local militia, you might get beaten up. Maybe they know the area well enough. Their Mandarin is fluent enough.

 

[inreb]

No incentive to have curb appeal as it won't aid re-sale. Why bother cleaning up the yard if the house has flaking paint (if there's paint) or other damage. Kinda like the broken window theory.

I don't buy it. (are we talking Native Reserve or China?) either way, it's as simple as bending over and picking up a piece of trash. You're walking by it everyday, just bend over and pick it up. And while you at it drag that leaky canoe 'round back. It doesn't need to be in the driveway for 6 years. That's got nothing to do with somebody else owning your property, that's on you.

 

[Riceburner]

These guys are riding in an extremely rural area of southern Guangdong China. You notice there is almost no one around? All the young and middle aged people are gone to find work elsewhere. If they wish to compare Kumamoto Castle in Japan to a remote and run down small village in China, that is not a fair comparo. Large tourist sites, such as the Forbidden City, are very well maintained in Beijing and the larger cities.....

From the few vids I bothered to watch, they seem to be just ranting about the negatives. You can do almost the same just around the GTA. They haven't mentioned any of the good things.

 

[Riceburner]

I don't buy it. (are we talking Native Reserve or China?) either way, it's as simple as bending over and picking up a piece of trash. You're walking by it everyday, just bend over and pick it up. And while you at it drag that leaky canoe 'round back. It doesn't need to be in the driveway for 6 years. That's got nothing to do with somebody else owning your property, that's on you.

Was talking about the reserves. Comes down to welfare mentality?

 

[inreb]

Was talking about the reserves. Comes down to welfare mentality?

Are they on welfare because "they're like that" or are they like that because they're on welfare? Probably a bit of both plus other factors. When I ride around the countryside I'm always amazed how well kept and industrious looking most properties look. I ride thru Six Nations a fair bit too. I'm just looking at the yards, maybe judging their work ethic and life skills, not their morality. I'm sure they're fine people. Not overly excited about breaking down and leaving the bike tho.