Stanley Cup stats question

nobbie48

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How important is home ice statistically?

Overall percentage of home games won by the home team.

I know in football audibles get messed up by home town noise but not sure of hockey factors aside from general cheering.
 
I don't think home ice is as big a difference in hockey as it is in basketball say. But it's still important to some degree..both for momentum/crowd involvement and because of the location of the benches. Having said that, it sometimes just really depends on the team. Some teams play poorly at home for various reasons. And some teams just are in the groove and can't be beaten on any given night.
 
Also in hockey home ice means last change. This allows the home team to get the matchups they want on the ice agains the other team. Depending on who you are trying to match up against this is a huge advantage, and sometimes the guys you are trying to match up against just kill you anyways.
 
can u explain this more?

I don't think home ice is as big a difference in hockey as it is in basketball say. But it's still important to some degree..both for momentum/crowd involvement and because of the location of the benches. Having said that, it sometimes just really depends on the team. Some teams play poorly at home for various reasons. And some teams just are in the groove and can't be beaten on any given night.
 
can u explain this more?

Home ice benches are half in their own zone..they switch ends each period..so the home team gets the bench closest to their own zone twice per game where the visiting team only gets it once. Changes are more effective when the bench is closer to your own zone.
 
Now i watch a lot of hockey and i dont pay to much attention to the benches. but they seem to be spaced apart about the same from each icing line. so each team has one LONG change where the benches are in the other teams zone and that is always in the second period. So there is really no adventage on that aspect




Home ice benches are half in their own zone..they switch ends each period..so the home team gets the bench closest to their own zone twice per game where the visiting team only gets it once. Changes are more effective when the bench is closer to your own zone.
 
Home ice benches are half in their own zone..they switch ends each period..so the home team gets the bench closest to their own zone twice per game where the visiting team only gets it once. Changes are more effective when the bench is closer to your own zone.

No offense here, but are you on drugs? Having played hockey my entire life, and at a professional level, I feel I am qualified to rebuke your statement(s). Other than football, hockey is the sport most effected by home ice, especially in the playoffs.

As previously mentioned home team gets last change. This is VERY important, because match-ups win games. Checking line against the scoring line is probably the most important thing you can get late in a tight game. Also, the visiting team needs to put their stick down for face-offs first; this allows the home team to dictate the pace of face-offs and gives them a timing advantage. Winning a draw can vastly shape a game; don't believe me, watch how Vancouver made it into OT of their deciding game of the San Jose series. A big draw win with seconds to go in the game lead to a goal.

Then you have to factor the travel schedule into the equation. Boston has been living in a hotel for about a week now. This means they're out of their routine (huge in hockey) to start the series. In total, they'll have played two games in 6 nights of being in Vancouver, the first two games are critical to the momentum in a series. Then think about a long series; they'll start having only one night off between games for travel.; I'd much rather return home to my bed than I would a hotel, wouldn't you? It is underestimated the affect a hotel has on your body when battling.

As to your benches comment... Each team plays ONE period with a long change. Each team's bench is nearly identical in proximity to their end of the rink. There is no special rule that makes the home team have a shorter distance to change. Also, it's physically impossible for teams to "switch benches" as your post suggests. They simply change ends of the ice and return to the same benches. The long change affects both teams equally; you'll hear commentators make that comment during even numbered periods when a player is stuck on the ice under pressure. It can and does affect the home team just as much as the visiting making it null.

I'm pretty certain Basketball home court has nothing on hockey as well. There is no real advantage in basketball other than the crowd. I also don't buy the momentum shifts from basketball can be attributed to the crowd; it's simply too slow a game for that. Time-outs, shot clocks, etc lead to a slow game, crowds can't affect something moving at a snails pace as much as they can something that is high intensity and constantly flowing.

But hey, I could be wrong about all of this...
 
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Also home ice is a factor when you are playing east coast vs west coast because of the time difference.

Home ice benches are half in their own zone..they switch ends each period..so the home team gets the bench closest to their own zone twice per game where the visiting team only gets it once. Changes are more effective when the bench is closer to your own zone.
hahahahahahaaha seriously?


What is the date on that article? Half way through the 2011 playoffs which the article even says is a fluke? The OP asked statistically, overall percentage, not the rarity that happened at the beginning of this years playoffs.
 
What is the date on that article? Half way through the 2011 playoffs which the article even says is a fluke? The OP asked statistically, overall percentage, not the rarity that happened at the beginning of this years playoffs.

Did you READ the article?? Second last paragraph..HISTORICALLY, basketball enjoys up to a 9% advantage at home, football 7%, baseball and hockey around 4-5%. Yes there is a small advantage but not as much as basketball and football. AND, as the article states, the home team generally has the better record meaning they SHOULD win!!! Do you have a former pro hockey AND football AND basketball AND baseball story made up to explain how you know hockey enjoys a better home ice advantage to the other sports?? Or do you just know...

I'm not saying there IS no advantage to playing at home.. I said it was lower than in basketball and football but is still there somewhat. Wow you guys sure look for a fight where there isn't one..
 
Did you READ the article?? Second last paragraph..HISTORICALLY, basketball enjoys up to a 9% advantage at home, football 7%, baseball and hockey around 4-5%. Yes there is a small advantage but not as much as basketball and football. AND, as the article states, the home team generally has the better record meaning they SHOULD win!!! Do you have a former pro hockey AND football AND basketball AND baseball story made up to explain how you know hockey enjoys a better home ice advantage to the other sports?? Or do you just know...

I'm not saying there IS no advantage to playing at home.. I said it was lower than in basketball and football but is still there somewhat. Wow you guys sure look for a fight where there isn't one..

Yes I did read the article...did you?

It doesn't say historically, it says in the past season for the leagues you referenced. The author also admits this is most likely a fluke due to a small sample size. (referring to this year's playoffs only.)

Also, you're mixing up regular season vs. playoffs. The percentage you're quoting is from the regular season. That being said, you're correct about the percentages at least. The article is speaking to the apparent lack of home ice advantage in the playoffs.

That being said, one cannot argue that home ice advantage appears to have had limited impact on this year's playoffs. I'm also willing to suspect that particular nugget probably holds fairly true historically. The whole "President's Cup Curse" (The trophy you get for winning the regular season) is pretty well documented. That alone would impact the "home ice advantage" statement.

Overall, the article is poorly written and attempts to tie two unrelated items - Season vs. Playoffs - in an attempt to build a story.
 
Did you READ the article?? Second last paragraph..HISTORICALLY, basketball enjoys up to a 9% advantage at home, football 7%, baseball and hockey around 4-5%. Yes there is a small advantage but not as much as basketball and football. AND, as the article states, the home team generally has the better record meaning they SHOULD win!!! Do you have a former pro hockey AND football AND basketball AND baseball story made up to explain how you know hockey enjoys a better home ice advantage to the other sports?? Or do you just know...

I'm not saying there IS no advantage to playing at home.. I said it was lower than in basketball and football but is still there somewhat. Wow you guys sure look for a fight where there isn't one..

Read the article? What article? Yep second last paragraph about the other sports doesn't really mean anything in this thread because the OP didn't ask in comparison to other sports..he mentioned about football but didn't ask for a comparison.

Do I have a former pro hockey AND football AND basketball AND baseball story? nope...I don't see where I said I had any pro stories.

Since you are trying to point out things to me that aren't relevant and that I didn't say, I have a question for you...Can you find me a picture of you playing hockey on an ice surface that isn't homemade that shows a home teams bench going halfway into their own zone but the visiting teams not? You do know that halfway into the zone would be the hash marks right? Do you know what the hash marks are? Last time I checked there wasn't a bench right beside them.

Anything else you want to throw in here that has no relevance to what I said or want to make up some other useless facts?
 

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