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nobbie48

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Sign, sign, everywhere a sign
Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?

OK so I'm Google mapping a country jaunt and decide to use street view to check if a particular road is paved and I see a sign "Local Traffic Only on XXXX Drive". That is on the eastbound entry to that nothing spectacular, cow country road. Doing the same on the westbound entry I don't see anything but a speed limit sign.

Are these "Local traffic" signs legit and if so what is the definition of "Local traffic". If my taxes pay for the upkeep why shouldn't I be allowed to use it?
 
I have never payed attention to these signs, just rode right past.
 
I do not know of any way that such signs could be enforceable. The HTA has no specific offense for such a sign. There is always the generic "disobey sign" that could theoretically be thrown around ... but first they would have to prove that you did not have any reason to be on that road. And for *that* ... you know what the response to the police officer's question "Where are you going" should be ... right ? ? ? ?
 
i can't speak to this specific instance.. but these signs are usually temporary. most often due to construction during which the road isnt closed per say, but might as well be.. usually torn up, difficult to navigate or not passing all the way through, basically if you're going to a property part way through, enter at own risk.. if you want clear to the other side, an alternate route would be better served.

if you're seeing the sign on google maps, chances are its no longer actually there.. street view is minimum a year out of date, more in most areas
 
I know of a couple normal roads, no construction happening at all, that have "Local Traffic Only" signs, for no apparent reason - but probably put there because some local resident didn't like "all that traffic" using "their" road.

To my knowledge ... not enforceable.
 
Brian P said:
I know of a couple normal roads, no construction happening at all, that have "Local Traffic Only" signs, for no apparent reason - but probably put there because some local resident didn't like "all that traffic" using "their" road.

To my knowledge ... not enforceable.
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Lower Baseline Road, for one. Residents were put out by all of the motorcycle traffic so, after the construction was done, the signs stayed up.
 
just_luc said:
i can't speak to this specific instance.. but these signs are usually temporary. most often due to construction during which the road isnt closed per say, but might as well be.. usually torn up, difficult to navigate or not passing all the way through, basically if you're going to a property part way through, enter at own risk.. if you want clear to the other side, an alternate route would be better served.

if you're seeing the sign on google maps, chances are its no longer actually there.. street view is minimum a year out of date, more in most areas
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I rode it anyways but since I was going west there wasn't any sign to disobey if that was a factor. Besides I was looking at some potential real estate as far as anyone was concerned.
So-so road not worth a lot of attention.

At least ten other bikers came the other way ignoring the sign that was still at the other end.

Maybe they should change the sign to something more relevent like "This sign is unnecessary"
 
The sign has no force of law unless it has been subject of a civic bylaw, at which point the applicable bylaw number would have to be posted on it. Even then, I have no idea how they could adequately define the term 'local traffic', so that it would be in any way enforceable. It's purely meant as a disincentive, to people who would normally cut through an area.
 
A lot like the 'trucks please avoid use of engine brake' sign that is posted in (almost) every town/village in Ontario. If you want the trucks to avoid using the engine brake, don't have a timed light at the bottom of the hill that makes them stop for no reason. I understand why people don't like them, but signs aren't the solution to the problem.
 
GreyGhost said:
A lot like the 'trucks please avoid use of engine brake' sign that is posted in (almost) every town/village in Ontario. If you want the trucks to avoid using the engine brake, don't have a timed light at the bottom of the hill that makes them stop for no reason. I understand why people don't like them, but signs aren't the solution to the problem.
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The engine-brake situation is a good one ... What would you rather have, hear an engine brake occasionally, or not hear engine brakes but hear an occasional crash (followed by sirens, and ambulance, and possibly worse) from that intersection at the bottom of the hill due to the truck that overheated its service brakes because it wasn't allowed to use the engine brake???

Besides, a good many more newly designed engine brakes are almost inaudible ...
 
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