Selling house to buy another house.

Red_Liner740

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For the amount of information out there regarding buying a home, not much is available on selling one.

We'd like to sell out current "starter" home and move to another one more suitable to our(read: my) needs.

I want a workshop and current house cant accommodate that, hence the need to move.

Fiancee would also like more land between us and neighbors. Id also love to convert new home to semi-renewable energy. Lots of things i wanna do to the new home.

Anyone whos gone through the trouble of listing their home while shopping for another have any tips or tricks? How to you juggle simulaneous selling and buying? Did you use the same realtor for both transactions? What if any discounts did you get on the realtor fees?
 
Did this last year used this agent: Heather Beauchesne Re/max CHAY Realty INC., Brokerage (705) 331-1441

She listed our house and found the new one. She got paid by the seller of our new one and a percentage of the sale price of our old one from us. That's typically how all transactions work when using a realtor. I liked her because when we looked at new places she nit picked them instead of trying to talk them up to make the sale and get the commission like most realtors. She priced our house correct for the market did good advertising and is known for having a lot of buyers in her portfolio.

She likes referrals which is how I found out about her so let her know "Age" sent you.

https://www.facebook.com/homesforsaleinbarrieandarea/timeline

http://www.remax.ca/on/heather-beauchesne-87082-ag/
 
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Selling:The seller pays the Realtor fees for both agents. The % you pay the selling Realtor gets divided between the selling Realtor and the buying Realtor(if there is one). You negotiate with the selling agent what % you want to give and what % they will give the buying agent. The selling agent could also be the buying agent, in which case you can negotiate a smaller %.

Buying: You can go it alone or hire an agent. The buying agent gets paid by the seller.....from you in a round about way, actually, since you are paying for the property after all....but the % is worked out between the agents if there's negotiations. They can negotiate a smaller % if they both want to make a quicker sale.

I sold my last house with an agent that just did a basic job. Won't use him again. I bought my current one with an agent I trust. I'll use him to sell and buy again. PM me if you want a referral to him.

Sales commission % is negotiable. Some insist on a higher % and do more "work", but really it depends on the demand on your area. A high demand area will pretty much sell itself, so paying a higher % just means less in your pocket. Also depends on what your property needs to be presentable. A good agent will know what to suggest you do.
 
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save yo money. few people need overpaid real estate agents anymore. esp for standard residential transactions.


cheap, helpful, and info sessions for the noobs.... ---> http://comfree.com/ontario

Lol, 90% of those comfree and the like listings just sit on the market for months, then eventually they hire a real agent anyway and it sells
 
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I know her personally and wouldnt consider calling anyone else if I was buying or selling in the barrie area.
 
Been there ...

A good real estate agent will guide you through the process. I would NOT recommend trying to do it yourself.

The gist of it is that yes, one way or another, you have to find closing dates that work on both ends of the transaction.

If you buy another place before selling yours, you will have to make a conditional offer - which will have at least two conditions, the first being the sale of your current house, the second being conditional on financing of the new place (and probably another unrelated one - home inspection). The risk you run is that your conditional offer might not be accepted. If the other party selling the house that you want to buy gets an unconditional offer from someone else - remember, they're probably in the same boat that you are regarding closing dates! - they're likely to accept that other offer in lieu of yours. Obviously if someone accepts your conditional offer, now you are under pressure to sell your place NOW and with a closing date that works with the other deal that you just made. This means your current place has to be priced right and marketed right - hence my advice to pay the real estate agents to do their job.

The other way it can happen is that you sell your place first and then buy. This means that you can now take your sweet time selling, but once it sells, you will then have to buy another place in a fashion that works with the deal that you just made. The downside here is that you might not find *exactly* the place that you are looking for in the timeframe that you are now under pressure to meet.

It is possible (provided that you qualify, of course) to obtain "bridge financing" to cover a short period of owning two homes if the closing dates don't coincide. This is not necessarily a terrible thing to have happen. If you don't have bridge financing, you need to empty your house by your closing date and have the mover store EVERYthing overnight until you have the key to your new place (probably the next day - and don't expect to get that key before the END of the day on your closing date). If you have bridge financing for a week or so, you can now take your sweet time moving. (That's what I did)

Here's another reason to let the real estate agents do it ... When I did the above, I bought a new place (under construction - bought it from the builder in a new subdivision) before I sold the old one. As it turned out, the people who initially bought my old place backed out of the deal. I didn't even know this - the agent called me and asked if they could do a final inspection (which they had a right to, in the contract) - No problem - What the agent was actually doing was showing another customer my house - and they bought it and the agent told me after the fact in one of those "I have bad news and good news" phone calls. The people who initially bought my old place lost their deposit, the people who ended up buying it got a sweet deal because of that. Didn't cost me a dime.

If you have lots of money (i.e. enough financial backing to carry whatever mortgages may be needed on both places), you can buy the place you want independently of selling the place you have now ... Otherwise, there's going to be conditional offers involved somewhere in the deal.
 
just bought a house and sold my started house, was able to negotiate a better price on the house I bought, the 4% comm was dropped to 2% to help the deal, and also negotiated a better rate for the sale 1% for my agent and 2.5% for cooperating agent, if you are in no rush to sell you could list it on your own and save part of the commission as you will still have to pay something to cooperating broker otherwise they will not forward your listing to their clients, and most people rely on the listings their agent sends them and dont look for their own.

I hate the idea of paying so much money to agents, but kinda seems like a necessary evil, just make sure they do a good job listing your place ( advise on how to prep your house for sale, professional pictures for your listing, virtual tour etc..)

good luck
 
I just went through it and I'll do my best to give you some insight.

First thing you need to decide is, are you buying first? or are you going to sell first.

I bought first, the reason for it was that I wanted to find the house I wanted and not have to compromise and rush because the closing date of the house you sold is approaching.

On the flip side, if you buy first then you might have to compromise on the price of your current house and closing dates because you need to sell.

I had a couple of real state agents in mind, told both what I wanted, the area and my expectations, did not sign with neither of them and let them go to work. One was trying to under price my house so she could sell it fast, sent me a bunch of listings for an area I didn't want.

The other sent me a few good listings, took us there and never put any pressure on us to sign or buy, we end up finding a house we wanted and she was very clear on the information she gave us with no BS, so we went with her into a multiple offer situation and won, we then sign with her to sell our house. She staged our home completely and bought a few fixtures and installed our back splash, all we did was pay for the material she bought at discounted prices - so my point, choosing the real state agent is key.

One was 5% if the buyer belong to another agent and 3% if it was one of her own clients.
The other we negotiated 4 percent regardless. First thing she said was, don't screw with the buyers agent commission or no one will bring their clients, so that 2.5 is untouchable, the other 2.5 is negotiable.

So now we bought a house and need to sell:
Ensure the real state agent gives you a lot of comparables and don't set the price too high but don't go low because you feel the pressure to sell - The house will sell.

Be prepared to be flexible on the closing date, you might have to put your stuff in storage and move somewhere for a period of time. remember if you are flexible your pool of buyers increases, it seems in my experience that an early closing date is very desired and it could be the deal breaker. We had to put everything in storage with PODS and moved to my moms basement for 3 weeks (that was fun) but the priority is to sell the house.

Also keep in mind, the bank won't give you a bridge loan unless you have a closing date for the house you sold, so the risk is if you buy first and don't sell before the closing date of the house you bought you are **** out of luck because the bank won't give you a second loan. Edit: Unless as Bryan said, you put a condition when you made the offer, in my case with 8 other people wanting the same house, I had to go in with no conditions and pray I sold my house, risky but payed off - if you are looking in a desirable area, good luck buying something with a financing condition or any condition.

Always... ALWAYS ensure you do a full pre-inspection, you might lose 300 bucks but eliminating that condition can make the difference in getting the house you want or it going to someone else (Sellers Market right now)

Anyways, everything was very stressful and a pain but we are now half the way closer to work in a beautiful house in a great area because we took our time finding the home we wanted without rush.

Not sure what else I am missing but if I think on something else I will post. Good luck


For the amount of information out there regarding buying a home, not much is available on selling one.

We'd like to sell out current "starter" home and move to another one more suitable to our(read: my) needs.

I want a workshop and current house cant accommodate that, hence the need to move.

Fiancee would also like more land between us and neighbors. Id also love to convert new home to semi-renewable energy. Lots of things i wanna do to the new home.

Anyone whos gone through the trouble of listing their home while shopping for another have any tips or tricks? How to you juggle simulaneous selling and buying? Did you use the same realtor for both transactions? What if any discounts did you get on the realtor fees?
 
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List with an agent that works in your area, dont use an agent thats an hr drive away, service level will suck.
I've sold private and with an agent, if you go it alone you do a lot of paper chasing.
If the agent seems the least bit flakey move on, there are enough good ones to not tolerate part timers.
Fully understand how much a move costs, hookup services, closing costs, tax shuffles so you dont get surprises (it will be way more than anybody thinks)
Try to not be emotional in the process, its hard with a primary residence but keep a business head if you can.

I've done it lots, best wishes in your search.
 
We made a deal with the agent that he would sell our house for 3% and then we would commit to buy the house through him so he would make up the % he is giving up now.

Don't trust most agents. They are scum bags. Can't wait for the real estate market to crash I will LOL on their face when their lives start to fail.
 
Ive been traveling all day (still travelling) so i dont have the patience to write out a long response, but thanks for the contributions. This is exactly what i was looking for.

We are starting to look first. We can theoretically carry both mortgages for a prolonged period i just dont know how that works from a financing standpoint, nor how quickly this whole thing will empty the war chest.
 
You can supplement your income by putting the house as a rental. Give a management company the contract to manage and take care of the property. You won't make any profit that way but should be able to bread even until you sell.

Ive been traveling all day (still travelling) so i dont have the patience to write out a long response, but thanks for the contributions. This is exactly what i was looking for.

We are starting to look first. We can theoretically carry both mortgages for a prolonged period i just dont know how that works from a financing standpoint, nor how quickly this whole thing will empty the war chest.
 
A friend got tired of the looking and decided if there wasn't anything wrong with the next place they'd buy it.

They bought the next place because there wasn't anything wrong with it but there wasn't anything right with it either. Ended up moving again.

Know your patience level.
 
No no. There is no point moving unless certain criteria are met. Nothing wrong with current home per se, we're just much more paculiar about what we want in next home and i wont settle.

Thats why finding the right house first is important. If we dont find it, we dont sell this one.

...and it will sell. We've done tons of upgrades and main maintenance items. It will literally need nothing when its put on the marker.

A friend got tired of the looking and decided if there wasn't anything wrong with the next place they'd buy it.

They bought the next place because there wasn't anything wrong with it but there wasn't anything right with it either. Ended up moving again.

Know your patience level.
 
Lol, 90% of those comfree and the like listings just sit on the market for months, then eventually they hire a real agent anyway and it sells

Guess I'm part of those 10% then.

Bought and sold 3 houses and 2 parcels of land with virtually no real estate involvement in the last 10 years.


Some of us don't need to pay silly inflated commissions to an agent who simply fills out paperwork in their underwear in front of a computer, thanks....
 
Guess I'm part of those 10% then.

Bought and sold 3 houses and 2 parcels of land with virtually no real estate involvement in the last 10 years.


Some of us don't need to pay silly inflated commissions to an agent who simply fills out paperwork in their underwear in front of a computer, thanks....

Thats probably because you were reasonable when selling your houses. Most of the COMFREE houses I've seen have a lazy homeowner who outright says 'no low balling whatsoever so don't even bother'.

To to them it's an emotional decision and they price out to lunch. Check out the COMFREE house at Browns Line and Valermo area....700k for a small bungalow! I laughed and laughed and it's been on the market for months.

anyway OP, you're on the right track. Negotiate with the agent and try to use the same one for both transactions if you can. They'll be easier to negotiate with if they come out ahead overall.
 
you can sell without an agent , if you have time in the middle of the day to shuffle your own paperwork around. On selling, often with building lots and houses I dont care what the next owner plans, but when buying and using a local agent that knows the area you find out ahead of time that the empty lot across will be subsidized housing or a high rise condo, they know stuff.
They also vet potential clients and offers so you get less idiots parading through your house that have no intention of ever buying or could afford it ever, there is value in them for me. My time is worth something (to me)

Bridge financing , when you havent sold and buy the other place isnt always a good place. Its a neccessary evil but your paying ALL costs on both places, the hole gets deep really fast. You dont want to do this any longer than you have to, its just money out a window. Its a calculated risk.
 
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