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In what way are the new changes a complete disaster?
 
It was only a matter of time IMO.
Same thing that happened to the $60 tax for renewing your sticker.
 
TwistedKestrel said:
In what way are the new changes a complete disaster?
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modern used cars (think 2 year old cars) are failing the new test at an alarming rate....seems the car's computers can't be "read" with the new software unless they've been through a complete drive cycle

people are getting failures.....leaving....driving endless kms....parking the car for 8 hours....returning and failing again....these cars have no issues...no SES light on....in perfect working order

the programme is redundant....it's done it's job...failure rate on the previous programme was nearly non-existent....so it should have been scrapped

the new programme isn't even sniffing tailpipes....it's trying to read the computer.....and it's a failure
 
The new program exists to reduce the costs of the old program. The reason why it doesn't bother sniffing tailpipes, is because ODB-II compliant vehicles are constantly testing the function of their own emissions systems anyway. The machines for the original Drive Clean program are very expensive to run. I'll bet a huge chunk of people failing the new tests have done so because they've intentionally reset their computer to clear a CEL. It's not just a matter of driving distance to set "emissions readiness" in your car, there are specific conditions that have to be replicated, and these are defined by the manufacturer.

Anyway, apparently they're working on it
 
TwistedKestrel said:
The new program exists to reduce the costs of the old program. The reason why it doesn't bother sniffing tailpipes, is because ODB-II compliant vehicles are constantly testing the function of their own emissions systems anyway. The machines for the original Drive Clean program are very expensive to run. I'll bet a huge chunk of people failing the new tests have done so because they've intentionally reset their computer to clear a CEL. It's not just a matter of driving distance to set "emissions readiness" in your car, there are specific conditions that have to be replicated, and these are defined by the manufacturer.

Anyway, apparently they're working on it
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what they should be working on is scrapping the entire programme imo

they've implemented a flawed new system to replace the redundant old system....cut bait and pull the plug

shops make squat off the programme....car owners get boned by wasting precious time trying to comply

even the Auditor General said the programme should be scrapped...so scrap it
 
... and with that half-arse fix, some people selling their cars will STILL have to find a place with the dynamometer (many shops have gotten rid of it), and the dynamometer and its maintenance/upkeep and space in the shop will STILL have to be kept for those situations and for pre-OBDII vehicles that are still subject to Drive Clean. And for a vehicle that refuses to perform its own readiness checks, there is STILL the headache of having to go back for a re-test more than 24 hours after the first test.

I have been hearing that some smart people who know how to work with OEM ECU programming (on vehicles that have decent aftermarket support), can enable any readiness bit you want, no matter what hardware is on the car or whether it works or not. It'll cost you something, though.

The old light-duty diesel test was better: Is the vehicle belching vast clouds of dense black smoke when it is idling? No? OK - it's good!
 
Its just stupid IMO. so the computer reads the sensor and the sensor output voltage or resistance is within check everything is kosher!? LOL. How gay.

and yes, K-pro equipped Hondas can change ANYTHING they want on their ECU. its fully programmable ECU that replaces your oem ECU and looks exactly the same...hmm thousand bucks for K-pro that lets you do anything or $450 to get a conditional pass?
 
I was just at the mechanic getting a brake line replaced. He was telling me the dyno machine cost 100,000$ and the new one is about 10,000$. He's thinking about getting into the new program, but the cost was just too much for the old one. They are just a father and son shop.

I asked him to reset the codes on my truck while it was in there. When i picked it up i asked him what the code was and he told me it was (i don't remember exactly what he said) it was probably the gas cap. So if doesn't come back up soon it was probably from not putting the gas cap on snug enough one time Nothing has come up so far in the last few days.
 
82Seca750 said:
modern used cars (think 2 year old cars) are failing the new test at an alarming rate....seems the car's computers can't be "read" with the new software unless they've been through a complete drive cycle

people are getting failures.....leaving....driving endless kms....parking the car for 8 hours....returning and failing again....these cars have no issues...no SES light on....in perfect working order

the programme is redundant....it's done it's job...failure rate on the previous programme was nearly non-existent....so it should have been scrapped

the new programme isn't even sniffing tailpipes....it's trying to read the computer.....and it's a failure
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exactly.
i heard part of the problem was also the fact that the program was made in california and somebody forgot to look into the fact that we have different temperatures here.

word is they're trying to wait until the summer so that hopefully it works more than half the time hahah

another classic example of bureaucracy at work
 
There are some cars which are documented to never have all the monitors ready. The 95-99 Eclipse/Talon is one of them. In order for you to pass the check you need to go to Mitsubishi to have the monitors all disabled, drive to the DCC without turning the car off and getting them to scan it. It's a few hundred dollars to get this done each time and MUST be done even if you put all new sensors, ECU and wiring.
 
budgetracing said:
There are some cars which are documented to never have all the monitors ready. The 95-99 Eclipse/Talon is one of them. In order for you to pass the check you need to go to Mitsubishi to have the monitors all disabled, drive to the DCC without turning the car off and getting them to scan it. It's a few hundred dollars to get this done each time and MUST be done even if you put all new sensors, ECU and wiring.
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A lot of manufacturers had trouble compling with OBDII right off the bat in 1996.

http://www.autotap.com/techlibrary/obdii_and_emissions_testing.asp

"Some import vehicles have known readiness issues. Many 1996-'98 Mitsubishi vehicles will have monitors that read "not ready" because setting the monitors requires very specific drive cycles (which can be found in their service information). Even so, these vehicles can be scanned for codes and the MIL light without regard to readiness status. On 1996 Subarus, turning the key off will clear all the readiness flags. The same thing happens on 1996 Volvo 850 Turbos. This means the vehicle has to be driven to reset all the readiness flags. On 1997 Toyota Tercel and Paseo models, the readiness flag for the EVAP monitor will never set, and no dealer fix is yet available. Other vehicles that often have a "not ready" condition for the EVAP and catalytic converter monitors include 1996-'98 Volvos, 1996-'98 Saabs, and 1996-'97 Nissan 2.0L 200SX models."

BTW for 1998-2000 model years the test procedure allows 2 "not ready" flags to be set and still pass emissions. For 2001 and later; 1 is allowable. For vehicles before 1998, it's the old tailpipe sniffer method that's used.
 
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Signed.. What a waste of time and money. Never had a fail, just wasted time and money to take those friggin' tests.. On one occasion I was lucky to be able to borrow dealer plates for the used vehicle I was trying to plate. With this being computerized now, it's an even bigger waste as it can easily be defeated. Emissions will be reduced by stricted manufacturing standards and by the attrition of the old junkers, not by e-test programs.
 
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Signed -- Never failed a test (well maybe on my old car the year I scrapped it for other reasons), but I've never been a fan of these tests. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for getting polluters or cars running no cats off the road, but the fact you could fail due to a readiness code or that your car is slightly out of spec for it's year/model (whereas other cars might pollute twice as much and still pass within their own specifications) just doesn't make sense to me.
 
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