Remember 0.05 is still a roadside suspension

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Don't blow a 0.053 because it sure is a PITA when paperwork, ownership, and holidays make that overnight impound turn into two days of fees and three days of hassle.

What's the point of having the legal limit for blood alcohol at 0.08 when they simply suspend your licence and take your veichle for a 0.05-0.08 anyways?

Talk about cash grab BS.
 
 
Did they caught u with 0.05?
Wish u the best mate
 
had it happen to a friend.

Always say " i had nothing to drink"

My friend said, I had a beer about a couple of hours ago. Blew a 'R' (doesn't give you a percent) and he had a road side suspension. One kilometre from his house witch was the funny thing.

Also happened on a Friday night, so he had to go to the MTO on Monday and pay $150.
 
Don't blow a 0.053 because it sure is a PITA when paperwork, ownership, and holidays make that overnight impound turn into two days of fees and three days of hassle.

What's the point of having the legal limit for blood alcohol at 0.08 when they simply suspend your licence and take your veichle for a 0.05-0.08 anyways?

Talk about cash grab BS.

pretty sure they recently changed the max from 0.08 to 0.05
 
When are people just going to realize if your going to drive/ride then don't drink period? It's a pretty easy thing to do.
 
pretty sure they recently changed the max from 0.08 to 0.05

Nope. DUI or whatever we call it here is still 0.08. However, if you blow 0.05, then you get yanked out of your car and get a temporary suspension and impound, without being charged with anything.
 
I feel for you, but an .05 still beats an .08 anyday. One is quite inconvenient and mildly expensive, the other is life altering.

in comparison it makes taxis free.
 
This one is too easy.
 
Saw a report on the local news this past week where personal breathalyzers were put to the test. Needless to say I've always wondered what a pass or fail/how many drinks consumed for myself would be. Went ahead and ordered a highly rated Bactrack s80 pro from these guys. Should be here tomorrow. Money well invested I say.
http://www.breathalyzercanada.com/?gclid=CPLj8tHLsq0CFULAKgod9Hx0nw

Pricey?.....................do the math
 
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Saw a report on the local news this past week where personal breathalyzers were put to the test. Needless to say I've always wondered what a pass or fail/how many drinks consumed for myself would be. Went ahead and ordered a highly rated Bactrack s80 pro from these guys. Should be here tomorrow. Money well invested I say.
http://www.breathalyzercanada.com/?gclid=CPLj8tHLsq0CFULAKgod9Hx0nw

Pricey?.....................do the math

pretty soon you'll need a purse for all the gadgets! easier to take a cab or drink at home.
 
pretty soon you'll need a purse for all the gadgets! easier to take a cab or drink at home.

What???? You don't carry one??
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hahahha OMG thats awesome!!! props man! @f1mauro :lmao:
 
Don't blow a 0.053 because it sure is a PITA when paperwork, ownership, and holidays make that overnight impound turn into two days of fees and three days of hassle.

What's the point of having the legal limit for blood alcohol at 0.08 when they simply suspend your licence and take your veichle for a 0.05-0.08 anyways?

Talk about cash grab BS.

Thanks for the heads up, I owe you a pint.
 
Saw a report on the local news this past week where personal breathalyzers were put to the test. Needless to say I've always wondered what a pass or fail/how many drinks consumed for myself would be. Went ahead and ordered a highly rated Bactrack s80 pro from these guys. Should be here tomorrow. Money well invested I say.
http://www.breathalyzercanada.com/?gclid=CPLj8tHLsq0CFULAKgod9Hx0nw

Pricey?.....................do the math
I saw a couple stories on these things where people just go crazy with competitions on who can get the highest rating. Watch out at parties and bars.
 
When are people just going to realize if your going to drive/ride then don't drink period? It's a pretty easy thing to do.

When are people just going to realize if your going to drive/ride then don't drink period? It's a pretty easy thing to do.


That's some nice MADD rhetoric. Let me say that I don't support drinking and driving. I'm always the DD when my crowd heads out as I'm unable to consume alcohol for an undetermined time due to medical reasons. Everyone knows someone who evaded a R.I.D.E checkpoint or came home after a few too many. Leave the city limits and you'll see this is a much common practice. There's a big difference between someone at or near the legal limit and the people blowing 3 or 4 times. But everyone is different and a subjective shot in the dark blood alcohol level of 0.08 is foolish.

Countless people drive home intoxicated everyday yet our roads are not carnage nor are drunk driving fatalities a common occurance. I encourage people to actually push through the MADD bs and examine the stats. According to Stats Can in 2004 815 people were killed in crashes involving a "drinking" driver, over 2200 were killed in falls, over 900 were killed through accidentally poisoning/exposure. Any death is a tragedy, but the amount of people dying due to drunk driving amounts to .3% (point 3) of the total fatalities yearly in Canada. I'll reiterate, you are almost 3 times as likely to die from a fall as you are from drunk driving. If you avoid drinking and driving yourself you are even less likely to fall victim as 60% of all drinking and driving fatalities are the drivers themselves. It should be noted that the stat indicated drivers who had any alcohol in their system, not necessarily at criminal rates, was alcohol even a factor in some of the fatalities? If someone had a single beer and crashes is the alcohol automatically to blame?

Drunk driving legislation is an interesting backwards concept. In most cases, you really haven't committed a physical crime, yet you are charged and face high penalties.

A suspect is usually charged with two charges, 'driving while impaired,' and 'driving with blood alcohol over .08'. If the Crown is unable to prove that you were actually demonstrating intoxication while driving (and a danger to the public), they have the over .08 blood alcohol charge to pursue even though you may not actually have been intoxicated or posing a risk. Both crimes carry the same penalty, you cannot however be found guilty of both crimes as they're for the same single action. Which do you think is easiest to prove and most people are convicted of? Some people have been convicted while being in an unstarted car "sleeping it off" because the government decided to add yet another broad measure to ensure convictions "due care and control". Again, you are being penalized for a crime that you haven't committed based on the presumption that you 'might'.

I also would like to point out that the court also penalizes you for refusing to aid in your own prosecution by submitting to a breathylyzer test. The penality for refusing, is the same as if you were convicted of drunk driving. I see a real problem with a system that forces anyone to comply with a procedure set up to gather evidence against them, by essentially convicting them on the spot if they do not comply. Should we tell murder suspects they have to help the investigators or they'll face a prison term equivilent to murder?


So, how do we ensure people aren't intoxicated yet protect the rights of citizens? Here are a few suggestions.


Eliminate R.I.D.E, use the resources and personnel to drive the roads looking for any driver intoxicated or not who's endangering the roads.

Eliminate the 0.08 criminal offense. If we are going to convict some people for being impaired at 0.04, it means the blood alcohol measure isn't exact. It's entirely possible for someone to be fit for driving above 0.08 so why penalize them? If the crown isn't able to secure a conviction based on the suspect's conduct, they obviously weren't posing a danger to society at the time. Blood alcohol measuring should occur after the suspect has been charged with drunk driving and only to confirm alcohol consumption but the option should lie with the suspect. Nobody should be subjected to a breathylyzer. If it means we let a few drunk drivers go, that's the price of liberty.

Increase transit services (why do go trains/ttc shut down BEFORE last call??)

As for the OP's topic, the solution is simple allow officers to go back to issuing the 12 hour suspensions that both protected the public that night AND didn't leave drivers with further penalties when they weren't necessarily intoxicated in the first place. If an officer has good reason to suspect the person could potentially pose a danger later on, issue the suspension and nullify the situation, the driver can call someone to pick up their vehicle or park it in a safe place. The officer takes the license and keys and the driver can pick them up at the police station the next day. I call the 12 hour suspensions a good compromise of public safety and public rights. Of course, the government eliminated them in favor of the new roadside suspensions which are longer, cost people more and do not allow any defence.
 
Saw a report on the local news this past week where personal breathalyzers were put to the test. Needless to say I've always wondered what a pass or fail/how many drinks consumed for myself would be. Went ahead and ordered a highly rated Bactrack s80 pro from these guys. Should be here tomorrow. Money well invested I say.
http://www.breathalyzercanada.com/?gclid=CPLj8tHLsq0CFULAKgod9Hx0nw

Pricey?.....................do the math

Do yourself a favour. Tie one on and record the results, then test yourself again when you wake up in the morning and see how high it reads.

One of the guys at work had few too many so he stayed over night at his buddies. Got up in the morning and went to drive home and hit a ride stop. He blew high enough to get the 24hr suspension.
 
That's some nice MADD rhetoric. Let me say that I don't support drinking and driving. I'm always the DD when my crowd heads out as I'm unable to consume alcohol for an undetermined time due to medical reasons. Everyone knows someone who evaded a R.I.D.E checkpoint or came home after a few too many. Leave the city limits and you'll see this is a much common practice. There's a big difference between someone at or near the legal limit and the people blowing 3 or 4 times. But everyone is different and a subjective shot in the dark blood alcohol level of 0.08 is foolish.

Countless people drive home intoxicated everyday yet our roads are not carnage nor are drunk driving fatalities a common occurance. I encourage people to actually push through the MADD bs and examine the stats. According to Stats Can in 2004 815 people were killed in crashes involving a "drinking" driver, over 2200 were killed in falls, over 900 were killed through accidentally poisoning/exposure. Any death is a tragedy, but the amount of people dying due to drunk driving amounts to .3% (point 3) of the total fatalities yearly in Canada. I'll reiterate, you are almost 3 times as likely to die from a fall as you are from drunk driving. If you avoid drinking and driving yourself you are even less likely to fall victim as 60% of all drinking and driving fatalities are the drivers themselves. It should be noted that the stat indicated drivers who had any alcohol in their system, not necessarily at criminal rates, was alcohol even a factor in some of the fatalities? If someone had a single beer and crashes is the alcohol automatically to blame?

Drunk driving legislation is an interesting backwards concept. In most cases, you really haven't committed a physical crime, yet you are charged and face high penalties.

A suspect is usually charged with two charges, 'driving while impaired,' and 'driving with blood alcohol over .08'. If the Crown is unable to prove that you were actually demonstrating intoxication while driving (and a danger to the public), they have the over .08 blood alcohol charge to pursue even though you may not actually have been intoxicated or posing a risk. Both crimes carry the same penalty, you cannot however be found guilty of both crimes as they're for the same single action. Which do you think is easiest to prove and most people are convicted of? Some people have been convicted while being in an unstarted car "sleeping it off" because the government decided to add yet another broad measure to ensure convictions "due care and control". Again, you are being penalized for a crime that you haven't committed based on the presumption that you 'might'.

I also would like to point out that the court also penalizes you for refusing to aid in your own prosecution by submitting to a breathylyzer test. The penality for refusing, is the same as if you were convicted of drunk driving. I see a real problem with a system that forces anyone to comply with a procedure set up to gather evidence against them, by essentially convicting them on the spot if they do not comply. Should we tell murder suspects they have to help the investigators or they'll face a prison term equivilent to murder?


So, how do we ensure people aren't intoxicated yet protect the rights of citizens? Here are a few suggestions.


Eliminate R.I.D.E, use the resources and personnel to drive the roads looking for any driver intoxicated or not who's endangering the roads.

Eliminate the 0.08 criminal offense. If we are going to convict some people for being impaired at 0.04, it means the blood alcohol measure isn't exact. It's entirely possible for someone to be fit for driving above 0.08 so why penalize them? If the crown isn't able to secure a conviction based on the suspect's conduct, they obviously weren't posing a danger to society at the time. Blood alcohol measuring should occur after the suspect has been charged with drunk driving and only to confirm alcohol consumption but the option should lie with the suspect. Nobody should be subjected to a breathylyzer. If it means we let a few drunk drivers go, that's the price of liberty.

Increase transit services (why do go trains/ttc shut down BEFORE last call??)

As for the OP's topic, the solution is simple allow officers to go back to issuing the 12 hour suspensions that both protected the public that night AND didn't leave drivers with further penalties when they weren't necessarily intoxicated in the first place. If an officer has good reason to suspect the person could potentially pose a danger later on, issue the suspension and nullify the situation, the driver can call someone to pick up their vehicle or park it in a safe place. The officer takes the license and keys and the driver can pick them up at the police station the next day. I call the 12 hour suspensions a good compromise of public safety and public rights. Of course, the government eliminated them in favor of the new roadside suspensions which are longer, cost people more and do not allow any defence.

Good post.

The blood alcohol limits are nonsense, especially these new "administrative" suspensions... dirty government cashgrab with absolutely nothing to do regarding safety.
 
+1 the old system worked the new one is pandering to the MADD abolisionist crowd complete BS in my opion.
 
+1 the old system worked the new one is pandering to the MADD abolisionist crowd complete BS in my opion.




Agreed 100%. 0.05? why not make it 0.00? In fact, if you looked at a bottle alcohol in the last 24 hours before driving, GO STraIGHT TO JAIL! BUnch of BS is what this is. Why have two limits when one isn't criminal? I bet driving tired poses a bigger risk than a 0.05 bac.
 

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