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I'm sure this was asked at some point but could not find it thru the search.

During the summer I commuted to work and there's a light which just does not seem to sense my bike. I was the only one there, and can't remember how long I waited, could have been 5 min, maybe even more and the light just wouldn't change. After another minute or so I treated it as a stop sign and when the way was clear made my left turn.

Is this allowed? I don't really know what other options there would have been aside from taking a right and pulling into a drive way and coming back around just to avoid going thru the red.
 
A 'malfunctioning' light is to be treated as an all-way stop. A light, that doesn't detect your bike, could be considered malfunctioning. The problem is that you would likely have to explain it in court.

When you come across lights like this, report them to the city. They will re-tune the induction loop circuit, in order to make it more sensitive. Until then push the 'walk' button.
 
right turn U turn.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
A 'malfunctioning' light is to be treated as an all-way stop. ...
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Rob, I have never doubted that. In some jurisdictions this regulation is easy to find.
I have not found authority for your statement in Ontario Canada.
Ironically, I found authority for it in Ontario County, New York.

The closest I have come to an authority in Ontario Canada is this:
http://www.ibc.ca/en/Car_Insurance/documents/brochure/ON-Fault-Determination-Rules.pdf
It is near the bottom of page 13 of 16.

Can you show the way to an official definition of the law
governing a malfunctioning traffic light in Ontario Canada?

(EDIT after Rob's prompt reply:
Thank you, sir. If I find official data, I'll present it here,)
 
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Salos Dafee said:
Rob, I have never doubted that. In some jurisdictions this regulation is easy to find.
I have not found authority for your statement in Ontario Canada.
Ironically, I found authority for it in Ontario County, New York.

The closest I have come to an authority in Ontario Canada is this:
http://www.ibc.ca/en/Car_Insurance/documents/brochure/ON-Fault-Determination-Rules.pdf
It is near the bottom of page 13 of 16.

Can you show the way to an official definition of the law
governing a malfunctioning traffic light in Ontario Canada?
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Both the problem, and the benefit, are that there really isn't a definition. From there it goes to common sense and ability to convince a JP.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
Until then push the 'walk' button.
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Is that not illegal as well though? Leaving your vehicle/bike there while you get off and walk over to the light and push the walk button? Also I heard that pulling the right turn/u turn is also illegal. (never checked to see if it was or not)
 
ATTS said:
Is that not illegal as well though? Leaving your vehicle/bike there while you get off and walk over to the light and push the walk button? Also I heard that pulling the right turn/u turn is also illegal. (never checked to see if it was or not)
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Let me put it to you this way: Which is easier to explain, to a cop; running a red light or pushing the button, to get the light to change?

U-turns are only illegal under certain circumstances.
 
Easier to explain yep, I thought you were saying that it is legal to go push the button though. Aren't u-turns illegal to get through a light faster than if you were to sit and wait for it?
 
ATTS said:
Easier to explain yep, I thought you were saying that it is legal to go push the button though. Aren't u-turns illegal to get through a light faster than if you were to sit and wait for it?
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From the handbook:

U-turn


Before you make a U-turn, check to make sure there is no sign saying not to.

To make a U-turn safely, you must be able to see well in both directions. It is illegal to make a U-turn on a curve in the road, on or near a railway crossing or hilltop, or near a bridge or tunnel that blocks your view. Never make a U-turn unless you can see at least 150 metres in both directions.

To make a U-turn, signal for a right turn, check your mirror and over your shoulder and pull over to the right side of the road. Stop. Signal a left turn and when traffic is clear in both directions, move forward and turn quickly and sharply into the opposite lane. Check for traffic as you turn.


For this reason I wouldn't make a U-turn within 150 metres of an intersection to make sure that I could limit the surrounding traffic, and clearly see anything approaching.
 
sorry...I was referring to making a right off the intersection and then making a u-turn right away to avoid having to sit at the red light. Not just a u-turn in general
 
ATTS said:
sorry...I was referring to making a right off the intersection and then making a u-turn right away to avoid having to sit at the red light. Not just a u-turn in general
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There are no other laws regarding U turns short of the blanket ones like dangerous/careless/stunt.
 
OpenGambit said:
There are no other laws regarding U turns short of the blanket ones like dangerous/careless/stunt.
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Understand, please, that other jurisdictions have different rules.

I made a U-turn in downtown Vancouver BC, where no signs prohibited same,
and asked a cop for directions to a highway out of town. The first thing he
told me was that U-turns were illegal all the time everywhere in Vancouver ...

(And yes, I have said this before, but not everyone has read it
before, and some of them may eventually ride to Vancouver.)
 
Salos Dafee said:
Understand, please, that other jurisdictions have different rules.

I made a U-turn in downtown Vancouver BC, where no signs prohibited same,
and asked a cop for directions to a highway out of town. The first thing he
told me was that U-turns were illegal all the time everywhere in Vancouver ...

(And yes, I have said this before, but not everyone has read it
before, and some of them may eventually ride to Vancouver.)
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The question is obviously ontario based.

understand that.

and you are also wrong about the law in Vancouver.
 
Salos Dafee said:
Understand, please, that other jurisdictions have different rules.

I made a U-turn in downtown Vancouver BC, where no signs prohibited same,
and asked a cop for directions to a highway out of town. The first thing he
told me was that U-turns were illegal all the time everywhere in Vancouver ...

(And yes, I have said this before, but not everyone has read it
before, and some of them may eventually ride to Vancouver.)
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Cops don't always know what their talking about. Some of them just feed people BS to make them seem like they know the law.
 
OpenGambit said:
The question is obviously ontario based.

understand that.

and you are also wrong about the law in Vancouver.
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Number 1, I obviously understood that the question was Ontario based.
Perhaps you read my earlier posts, referring specifically to Ontario documentation.

Number 2, NO, I am NOT wrong about the law in Vancouver, because I did
not say anything about the law in Vancouver. I quoted somebody else who
said what the law was in Vancouver. I did that accurately, too.

Please read more carefully, and be more polite to people who are trying to help.

You could show some respect for Ontario by capitalizing its name.
If your keyboard is like mine, the SHIFT key accomplishes that.
You are welcome.
Sir.
 
Salos Dafee said:
Number 1, I obviously understood that the question was Ontario based.
Perhaps you read my earlier posts, referring specifically to Ontario documentation.

Number 2, NO, I am NOT wrong about the law in Vancouver, because I did
not say anything about the law in Vancouver. I quoted somebody else who
said what the law was in Vancouver. I did that accurately, too.

Please read more carefully, and be more polite to people who are trying to help.

You could show some respect for Ontario by capitalizing its name.
If your keyboard is like mine, the SHIFT key accomplishes that.
You are welcome.
Sir.
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Maybe you should have thought of that before reiterating what someone else told you as if it was true.
Or start the sentence off with "i have no clue what I am talking about but..."

I don't know what world you live in but saying something thats completely false isn't called "help", its called being wrong.
It was wrong when it was told to you, and it was wrong when you repeated it.
your post was right about one thing, someone might ride to Vancouver. god forbid they actually listen to your ridiculous advice.

But hey, you can pat yourself on the back for capitalizing correctly. Good thing ontario has you to count on for its hurt feelings.
 
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http://vancouver.ca/bylaws/2849c.PDF

LIMITATIONS ON "U" OR REVERSE TURNING
38. (1) No driver of any vehicle shall turn such vehicle so as to proceed in the opposite
direction:
(a) On any through street.
(b) Within an intersection at any corner of which a "Stop" sign has been
placed, or where a traffic-control signal has been installed.
(c) At any other intersection unless such movement can be made in safety,
without backing, and without interfering with other traffic.
(d) On any street between intersecting streets.
(e) At any lane intersection.
(2) The provisions of this section shall not apply to the driver of any bus at a
terminus of any route, or at any other location approved by the Council, but
such driver in making any "U" turn shall first ascertain whether such movement
can be made in safety.
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