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just recently, i bought a new pair of leather gloves.

I love the smell of new leather.

Isnt it just great to walk into a shop like Beardmores, where they have like a thousand leather jackets.
 
bunmanchi said:
just recently, i bought a new pair of leather gloves.

I love the smell of new leather.

Isnt it just great to walk into a shop like Beardmores, where they have like a thousand leather jackets.
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I used to love the smell of leather until i bought a suede jacket & i get a headache now
 
The simple pleasures in life. I could ruminate on that a fortnight. Beardmores? Never heard of them but I'll take you at your word good sir.
 
i like turtles
 
RockerGuy said:
I used to love the smell of leather until i bought a suede jacket & i get a headache now
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I used to love the smell of new leather until that b1tch left me handcuffed to the bed and didn't follow the protocol upon use of the safe word.





(it's a joke btw, my bedtime activities are just fine without any weird crap)
 
There is a Heaven. Caught that on "Katie" this morning.

Non believing neurosurgeon has near death experience (fecal menengitis) Now is believer. Also is selling book.

Describes Heaven as "nice, very nice".
 
BNKN said:
There is a Heaven. Caught that on "Katie" this morning.

Non believing neurosurgeon has near death experience (fecal menengitis) Now is believer. Also is selling book.

Describes Heaven as "nice, very nice".
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Hormones and endorphines are pretty powerful, even to a Dr that knows all about them.

The physiological phenomena that cause the whole feeling of euphoria, the tunnel of light, and all that other nonsense actually makes pretty good sense.
 
rmemedic said:
Hormones and endorphines are pretty powerful, even to a Dr that knows all about them.

The physiological phenomena that cause the whole feeling of euphoria, the tunnel of light, and all that other nonsense actually makes pretty good sense.
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I don't follow. Are you for or against Heaven?
 
BNKN said:
I don't follow. Are you for or against Heaven?
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Not really wanting to turn a possibly funny thread in to some theological debate, but...

I spent a lot of time as a teen trying to learn about "god". Had study groups/youth groups twice a week... Couldn't do sunday service as it couldn't hold my interest. But in all of that, things never made sense. I know you're supposed to have "faith" and all, but it just wasn't for me.

The longer I have lived, the more I have learned about history, and have come to realize that religion is a pretty easy way to get a group of people to behave that is desirable for whatever agenda the leader at the time has in mind.

Combined with my education of biology and physiology and how that is plain and simple, clear cut here are the facts, I just can't bring myself to believe that we are any different from animals aside from having opposable thumbs and powerful brains.

Sure, it sucks to know that some day your life will end and that's it... But I believe that is the way it is. And I'm glad I think this way, so I live life for me, make sure I enjoy my time, leave a positive mark on the earth, love those that deserve it and don't waste my time (and money) on something that just isn't real. It sounds selfish I know, but those that I care about get the best from me that I can give, because if I leave tomorrow I wouldn't want them to have doubts about me... And those whom I don't care about don't deserve my time or worry.

And if god does exist, and is "love" then St. Peter (or whoever the gate keeper is in whatever religion you have) will have to look back on my life and realize that I lived a good life enjoying life the way it should be enjoyed and cared for the right people... Should be enough to get me in.

The body dumps a series of hormones (mostly feel good stuff) during the later stages of the dying process. The lack of oxygen to the occipital lobe can easily explain the traveling down the tunnel.
 
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You don't mind explaining yourself, do you?:) That this neurosurgeon would get on a nationally televised, "credible" program and say these things, and oh by the way I have a book to sell, makes me really wonder what the heck is going on down there. Like, is everybody in on it? Is hucksterism, lying, cheating, manipulating, marketing, shmoozing, butt kissing the gold standard now? Whatever it takes to generate a buck always takes precedent. Doesn't a program like that have checks and balances to prevent these things? Everybody toes the line because corporate needs their cash and I need my paycheck. It's a race to the bottom.
 
BNKN said:
You don't mind explaining yourself, do you?:) That this neurosurgeon would get on a nationally televised, "credible" program and say these things, and oh by the way I have a book to sell, makes me really wonder what the heck is going on down there. Like, is everybody in on it? Is hucksterism, lying, cheating, manipulating, marketing, shmoozing, butt kissing the gold standard now? Whatever it takes to generate a buck always takes precedent. Doesn't a program like that have checks and balances to prevent these things? Everybody toes the line because corporate needs their cash and I need my paycheck. It's a race to the bottom.
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He may very well believe that him seeing heaven was a 100% real experience. Even someone like him that knows how the body works, and would have undoubtedly, being a neurosurgeon, understand the way the brain works and how it would be effected during death both from the chemical changes and the physiological changes from the body shutting down and from the effects of the meningitis. The effects of this would certainly be strong enough to convince someone that they actually had a "spirit" that left their body and experienced what is next.
There is a reason why everyone's experience that has this happen is virtually the same... Because we're all built the same. Some people have described coming back from the other place. I simply believe that in these cases, for whatever reason, all the "feel good" chemicals weren't released and what they described was feeling their body begin to die.
So yes, I do believe he experienced these senses, but it was all within his own body and his soul didn't really go anywhere.
The only reason why he could write a book and expect it to be successful, is the fact that he has spent years studying in a profession that deals directly with the brain in a very intimate manner... And this profession is why he was also likely a non-believer.
 
Nobody has ever come back from true death (to get the straight truth) only near death. And those experiences have been mostly universal, as you mentioned. This Dr. did not believe these experiences indicated proof of Heaven, rather chemical etc.
But when he had his own brush with death and the resulting grand experience, all of a sudden, no, it MUST be Heaven. It was so fantastic how could it not be? He knows he didn't die, so why does he believe? Or does he?
For whatever reason, I think he's an opportunist. His medical condition is well documented, and he's a brain Dr. Perfect. Let's roll out a book. Scam.
 
SFer said:
Now you just have to expand on this statement.
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Happily. You know all those people sans vital signs who came back to life? That's near death. The other ones who didn't come back to life? Certified goners. Thems the folks you want to talk to.
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