push steering confusion

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These past couple days i've come to understand push steering a bit better but recently I have watched videos of motorcycles riding canyons/curves and while the camera faces the tires when they are turning left their tires are turned to the left, when they're turning right their tires are turned to the right.

This means they are pushing on the left handle bar to turn right and vice versa. Which is the exact opposite of push steering.

So now I am confused...the way i understood push steering you keep pushing as you turn.

After you start turning do you keep pushing?
 
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Push in the direction you want to go. Push forward, not down. That is, unless you are crawling at low speed, then steer like a tricycle.

Edit: I don't know what you saw in a video, but I can tell you over thinking is not how to ride.
This steering part has to become instinct. Roll with it.
 
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It's always been my understanding that the wheels have to follow the arc of the turn. But you're still pushing the inside handlebar. After that, I just black out.
 
youngrider said:
These past couple days i've come to understand push steering a bit better but recently I have watched videos of motorcycles riding canyons/curves and while the camera faces the tires when they are turning left their tires are turned to the left, when they're turning right their tires are turned to the right.

This means they are pushing on the left handle bar to turn right and vice versa. Which is the exact opposite of push steering.

So now I am confused...the way i understood push steering you keep pushing as you turn.

After you start turning do you keep pushing?
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yes
 
now I am confused, **** I better cancel my registration for next weekend
 
youngrider said:
wait so this guys tires turn towards the turn, doesn't this mean he is pushing left to go right ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dawhl2QMQFk

one example is at 1:55, you can see him turning his bars in the direction of the turn another is at 4:55 on the right turn and then left his wheel turn into the direction of the turn
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the bike is leaned over. he's not turning the bars in the direction he wants to go, the bike is making an arc on the ground because he is leaning it over.

geez dude, you need some seat time. push left go left. push right go right.
 
Original poster is over-thinking this.

Go to an empty parking lot and try it out. There is no need to over-complexify it.
 
youngrider said:
wait so this guys tires turn towards the turn, doesn't this mean he is pushing left to go right ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dawhl2QMQFk

one example is at 1:55, you can see him turning his bars in the direction of the turn another is at 4:55 on the right turn and then left his wheel turn into the direction of the turn
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At 1:55 - that's slow speed turning, different after 20 km/h. Relax, go ride, it will happen without thinking.

I think you are confusing the need to turn the handlebars, with the need to put pressure, once cornering at speed, the handlebars actually move very little. Your front wheel is acting like a gyroscope, and the pressure fighting against it makes the bike turn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering#Once_lean_is_achieved
 
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I pull on the outside bar for a better feel! :)

Just because it's called "push steering" doesn't mean you can only "push" the bars. For example, if you are turning left, pull on the right bar.
 
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the bike is leaned over. he's not turning the bars in the direction he wants to go, the bike is making an arc on the ground because he is leaning it over.

geez dude, you need some seat time. push left go left. push right go right.
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so in the turn you don't keep the bars turned?
 
Once you've achieved the angle of lean you want. You keep constant pressure on the bars to remain in the lean until you want to straighten back out.

So if you push right to go right. Once you've got the amount of lean you want for the turn. You maintain that push on right side handle bar until you come out of the turn and want to straighten back up.
 
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see post #4 in this thread.
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but you just said in the video the bike is leaning over thus creating the arc of the tire, so he was not pushing left during the left turn, his tires are turned so that he'd be pushing right in the left turn

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Once you've achieved the angle of lean you want. You keep constant pressure on the bars to remain in the lean until you want to straighten back out.

So if you push right to go right. Once you've got the amount of lean you want for the turn. You maintain that push on right side handle bar until you come out of the turn and want to straighten back up.
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Yeah thats what I understand but in videos motorcycles have their tires turned toward the turn, so that they're bars are pushed left to turn right and vice versa.

from a birds eye view their front tire looks like " / " to turn right and " \ " to turn left
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