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I want to put up a fence and I believe we have to get a survey done to figure out where our property line is. What we got from our residential plan is a general area, but I've heard it could be off by a foot or two.

I called one place and I got a quote for $600+hst to get one line marked? Isn't that kind of ridiculously over priced?!

This is the first time I'm looking in to something like this, if anyone has any help in the right direction, that would be great!
 
If thats overpriced and as easy as you seem to think, why don't you do it yourself?

Just sayin'


($600 sounds okay to me, Ive heard of people paying twice that much or more in some cases)
 
jay-d said:
I want to put up a fence and I believe we have to get a survey done to figure out where our property line is. What we got from our residential plan is a general area, but I've heard it could be off by a foot or two.

I called one place and I got a quote for $600+hst to get one line marked? Isn't that kind of ridiculously over priced?!

This is the first time I'm looking in to something like this, if anyone has any help in the right direction, that would be great!
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If you have the original survey of your house just look for the bars. Should have front bars, backs are rarely there. In most cases they are a foot or two off the back of the side walk. Or if you have ties off your house you can measure it yourself off your building corners.
 
I think that might be reasonable.

Checkout following that have been recommended:


[1] Lloyd & Purcell at

http://www.ontariolandsurveyors.ca/

[2] MICHELE PEARSON, O.L.S.

Tel: (905) 780-0227 X225

Fax: (905) 508-0239



and no, you don't want to build a fence without being sure it's going up on your property, or on the line. As you may know there's a lot of fence related law, and typically you can get your neighbour to split the cost.
 
Is your neighbour ok with the fence? If not look at the local bylaw. There may be a set distance you have to place the fence on your property unless the neighbour is ok with the fence being on the property line. In my dads area fences have to be 6' over so its good to know in case buddy next door raises hell for whatever reason.
 
Cat13 said:
Is your neighbour ok with the fence? If not look at the local bylaw. There may be a set distance you have to place the fence on your property unless the neighbour is ok with the fence being on the property line. In my dads area fences have to be 6' over so its good to know in case buddy next door raises hell for whatever reason.
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Cat, I hope you meant 6", not 6 FEET over :).

$600 is dirt cheap, and all they will do most likely is mark the locations of the metal stakes. I got a quote for survey in Etobicoke - 700-800 for just marks of the property borders, or 1200-1300 (+hst) for the full survey.
 
ViperZ said:
Cat, I hope you meant 6", not 6 FEET over :).

$600 is dirt cheap, and all they will do most likely is mark the locations of the metal stakes. I got a quote for survey in Etobicoke - 700-800 for just marks of the property borders, or 1200-1300 (+hst) for the full survey.
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Nope, where he is its feet. Was 6 when the fence he has was built and is now 3 or something like that. And yes FEET. My dad cut down a tree on the otherside of the fenceline that he knew was his. Neighbour got ****** off and so started a short legal battle that the neighbour lost and has been trying to make my dad regret since.
 
Wow, that's insane. If there was such requirement in Toronto or suburbs like Richmond Hill, many townhouse owners would be building fences right along their back walls LOL.
 
ViperZ said:
Wow, that's insane. If there was such requirement in Toronto or suburbs like Richmond Hill, many townhouse owners would be building fences right along their back walls LOL.
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Oh 100% agreed. But the point I am trying to highlight. Is check your local bylaw. Specially with fences in a residential scenerio.
 
mmmnaked said:
If thats overpriced and as easy as you seem to think, why don't you do it yourself?

Just sayin'


($600 sounds okay to me, Ive heard of people paying twice that much or more in some cases)
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I'm going to end up talking to my neighbour and seeing what we can come up with. He's sort of a ******.

Cat13 said:
Is your neighbour ok with the fence? If not look at the local bylaw. There may be a set distance you have to place the fence on your property unless the neighbour is ok with the fence being on the property line. In my dads area fences have to be 6' over so its good to know in case buddy next door raises hell for whatever reason.
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I've read the Mississauga by-laws and it doesn't matter if he's ok with it or not, he's obligated to pay for half the fence! Only problem is, I have to make sure I put it on the property line if he is to pay for it.

He's built part of his deck awfully close to what I believe is the property line so he's never wanted a fence, but we need to make a fence because we want privacy now and to do some sexy landscaping in the back yard.

I don't want to pay the $600 so I'm going to be super polite and see if I can come to an agreement with him. I don't care if we have to lose a few inches of property space, but I don't want him to make a big deal out of it.
 
jay-d said:
I've read the Mississauga by-laws and it doesn't matter if he's ok with it or not, he's obligated to pay for half the fence! Only problem is, I have to make sure I put it on the property line if he is to pay for it.
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Read it again, because I am pretty sure that he is only obligated to pay for half of the (cheapest) chainlink fence, not for anything wooden/fancy/6-ft-high/etc etc.

Being polite does not mean much. If you will build the fence on the wrong line, you are screwed if he will take you to court. One thing you can do is be very polite and ask him if he has a survey for his property. Then you will know where the property line is to build your fence.
 
ViperZ said:
Read it again, because I am pretty sure that he is only obligated to pay for half of the (cheapest) chainlink fence, not for anything wooden/fancy/6-ft-high/etc etc.

Being polite does not mean much. If you will build the fence on the wrong line, you are screwed if he will take you to court. One thing you can do is be very polite and ask him if he has a survey for his property. Then you will know where the property line is to build your fence.
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Doesn't say anything about cheapest. It says 50% of the actual cost. It's in section 7 of the division fence by-law.

I've already asked if he's got a survey and he said no.. I think I found one though, but it's got the property lines of a bunch of lots and I can't make much sense of it :(
 
jay-d said:
Doesn't say anything about cheapest. It says 50% of the actual cost. It's in section 7 of the division fence by-law.

I've already asked if he's got a survey and he said no.. I think I found one though, but it's got the property lines of a bunch of lots and I can't make much sense of it :(
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section 8:

(a) the adjoining owner shall pay fifty percent (50%) of the basic cost or fifty percent (50%)
of the actual cost, whichever is the lesser, having considered all the fencing quotes
exchanged, and
(b) the owner shall pay the balance of the actual cost.
 
klr_guy said:
section 8:

(a) the adjoining owner shall pay fifty percent (50%) of the basic cost or fifty percent (50%)
of the actual cost, whichever is the lesser, having considered all the fencing quotes
exchanged, and
(b) the owner shall pay the balance of the actual cost.
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Which to me means the type of fences that are quoted, not some crappy little chainlink one. I'm installing it myself anyway but I do not feel like debating what my neighbour might and might not do.

I'm sure I'll work it out and get the kind of fence that is constructed throughout all the adjacent properties which is your standard wooden fence.
 
jay-d said:
Which to me means the type of fences that are quoted, not some crappy little chainlink one. I'm installing it myself anyway but I do not feel like debating what my neighbour might and might not do.

I'm sure I'll work it out and get the kind of fence that is constructed throughout all the adjacent properties which is your standard wooden fence.
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Well, if he agrees, then yes. In the City of Toronto, the basic fence is considered a chainlink fence of, if I remember correctly, 3-ft high. I'm pretty sure the City of Mississauga will consider the 'basic fence' to be the same thing. Good luck! The worst thing you can do is fight with your neighbour, as you have to live beside those people for years.
 
jay-d said:
Doesn't say anything about cheapest. It says 50% of the actual cost. It's in section 7 of the division fence by-law.

I've already asked if he's got a survey and he said no.. I think I found one though, but it's got the property lines of a bunch of lots and I can't make much sense of it :(
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Keep reading ;) (first page)

(d) 'basic cost' means the total cost of construction, replacement, maintenance or repair (as applicable) of a four (4) foot high, 1-1/2 inch mesh, steel chain link fence;
 
mmmnaked said:
Keep reading ;) (first page)

(d) 'basic cost' means the total cost of construction, replacement, maintenance or repair (as applicable) of a four (4) foot high, 1-1/2 inch mesh, steel chain link fence;
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I hate you. :(

Honestly though, I'm not too concerned with the neighbour paying me exactly 50%. It'll cost me about $400 I think and if he'll front some of it, great, I just really really need to put up a fence and I could care less about the fine detail.. but I still hate you :lmao:
 
Offer to pay it all then, if he agrees on where the placement should be.

And cant you call the city to get a property map of some kind? There should be landmarks and at least some measurements to give you a solid idea of where the property line is.
 
You do have to know if your fence is on the line or on his or your property. If you accidentally put it on his property, anybody can tear it down (e.g. the next owner of neighbour's property). If you accidentally put it too deep into your own property you might be permanently giving up your rights (google 'adverse possession'), which would affect the value of your own property.

Best the fence go on the line with your neighbour's blessing. But you have to know where the line is.
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