Fenrir Fox
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as title, can I make a left turn at red light when no coming traffic from other one way and no pedestrian crossing?
I saw this case a lot in Hamilton but never in Toronto
different law?
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One way to one way, left turn at red light?
- Thread starter Fenrir Fox
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as title, can I make a left turn at red light when no coming traffic from other one way and no pedestrian crossing?
I saw this case a lot in Hamilton but never in Toronto
different law?
Yes, unless otherwise signed.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/handbook/section2.6.6.shtml
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/handbook/section2.6.6.shtml
XenoVibe
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I don't know how well its enforced here but in BC assuming there is no oncoming traffic and pedestrians, you can:
-Make a left turn if you are on a one-way street turning onto a one way street that has more than one lane.
-Make a left from a two-way street onto a one-way street on a red light if there is more than one lane.
It's weird that the MTO site doesn't mention that it must be a multi-lane you're turning onto but maybe it's different in this province.
-Make a left turn if you are on a one-way street turning onto a one way street that has more than one lane.
-Make a left from a two-way street onto a one-way street on a red light if there is more than one lane.
It's weird that the MTO site doesn't mention that it must be a multi-lane you're turning onto but maybe it's different in this province.
That's because it doesn't have to be a multi-lane street in Ontario.
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Streetview of N/B University Ave & Richmond St W: http://goo.gl/xmEIFH
Isn't University Ave Two Way at that intersection?
Isn't University Ave Two Way at that intersection?
Sorry, was on my cell so I couldn't do the walker guy.
It's York and Richmond; one block East.
University has a Median there, so you wouldn't be able to go all the way through.
Sb Simco @ Eb Adelaide, last month they've added a NB bike lane. Would that render the red light left turn illegal?
A bicycle is considered a vehicle under the Ontario HTA. But we all know cyclists don't obey any of the road rules.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/pubs/cycling-guide/section5.0.shtml
Under the Highway Traffic Act bicycles are considered 'vehicles', but not 'motor vehicles', and so must adhere to the laws pertaining to such traffic.
If cyclists would be cited for their various misdeeds such as travelling against the flow of one way streets, riding in crosswalks (specifically prohibited under the HTA), riding on sidewalks (against the bylaws of most municipalities in this region), and passing to the right of vehicles indicating a right turn (both unlawful AND begging to become a statistic), then far fewer cyclists would be injured or killed.
Having read the HTA section I would say "technically" no as you are crossing a "live traffic lane", (the inner right lane). But I also doubt you would meet very many coppers who would stop and ticket for it, (IF they even knew the wording of the section)
Turns must be made from the near lane to the near lane, in order to be legal. If both lanes are signed as turn lanes you must then make the turn to the corresponding lane on the new street.
So left-most right turn lane to left-most right turn lane is not legal then?
I didn't say that. In fact I'm still trying to find law or precedent for that, either way.
Oh sorry. Must've misread.
Bike Cop
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Multiple turn lane to multiple lanes see below:
Turning at intersections
141. (1) In this section,
"centre line" means,
(a) in the case of a highway on which traffic is permitted to move in opposing directions, the marked line or median that divides traffic moving in opposing directions on the highway or, where there is no marked line or median, the centre of the roadway, and
(b) in the case of a highway designated for the use of one-way traffic, the left curb or edge of the roadway. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 141 (1).
Right turn at intersection
(2) Where a driver or operator of a vehicle intends to turn to the right into an intersecting highway, he or she shall, where the highway on which he or she is driving has marked lanes for traffic, approach the intersection within the right-hand lane or, where it has no such marked lanes, by keeping immediately to the left of the right curb or edge of the roadway and he or she shall make the right turn by entering the right-hand lane of the intersecting highway where the lane is marked or, where no such lane is marked, by keeping immediately to the left of the right curb or edge of the roadway being entered. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 141 (2).
Right turn, where multiple lanes
(3) Despite subsection (2), where more than one lane of a highway has been designated as a right-turn lane, the driver or operator of a vehicle intending to turn to the right into an intersecting highway shall approach the intersection in one of the lanes and leave the intersection in the lane of the intersecting highway that corresponds to the lane from which the turn was commenced. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 141 (3).
Turning at intersections
141. (1) In this section,
"centre line" means,
(a) in the case of a highway on which traffic is permitted to move in opposing directions, the marked line or median that divides traffic moving in opposing directions on the highway or, where there is no marked line or median, the centre of the roadway, and
(b) in the case of a highway designated for the use of one-way traffic, the left curb or edge of the roadway. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 141 (1).
Right turn at intersection
(2) Where a driver or operator of a vehicle intends to turn to the right into an intersecting highway, he or she shall, where the highway on which he or she is driving has marked lanes for traffic, approach the intersection within the right-hand lane or, where it has no such marked lanes, by keeping immediately to the left of the right curb or edge of the roadway and he or she shall make the right turn by entering the right-hand lane of the intersecting highway where the lane is marked or, where no such lane is marked, by keeping immediately to the left of the right curb or edge of the roadway being entered. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 141 (2).
Right turn, where multiple lanes
(3) Despite subsection (2), where more than one lane of a highway has been designated as a right-turn lane, the driver or operator of a vehicle intending to turn to the right into an intersecting highway shall approach the intersection in one of the lanes and leave the intersection in the lane of the intersecting highway that corresponds to the lane from which the turn was commenced. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 141 (3).
Unfortunately that section doesn't address right on red. That's why I didn't post it, though I did reference the concept in a post, above.
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