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[Need info] Shannonville (long) track surface and bumps

TL47

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I've never been to shannonville and was told the surface is not in good shape.

Just wondering how does the surface in shannonville compare to TMP? are there any nasty bumps that I should be aware of?

Personally I think the worst surfaced corner in TMP is the turn 6 left hander.

Thanks in advance.
 
I'm no expert and haven't riden TMP but the pavement at shanny is rough but no crazy bumps, watch your line going in to #7 it's the only corner I can think of the has a bit of a bump that has given me issues. when are you going???
 
There are lots of bumps at Shannonville. The hairpin, Allens and Nelson are the only corners that don't have bumps.

It's a lot more bumpy and has more cracks than TMP. If you have never been there before it might be worth having someone show you some lines around the track so you know what areas to avoid.

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wow thanks guys!

To Caboose483:

the surface in TMP in my opinion is mostly smooth, so what changes should I do with my suspension for Shannonville to help with the bumpy surface? Do I decrease my rebound damping a bit (to avoid "packing") and decrease the high/low compression damping?

Thanks!
 
if you've never been there,,, Just ride the bike and worry about making changes when something doesn't work.
 
I don't make many suspension changes between TMP and S'ville. It's more important to pick the right line to avoid the bumps. I do have a hard time on long track staying relaxed on the bike and my arms and hands do get sore. I was getting tired at the end of a 10 lap superbike race on Sunday.

Try to let the bike float over the bumps. White knuckle riding doesn't help anything.
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I'm in a similar boat as TL47. I've only ridden TMP and never Shannonville. I ride in the yellow/Intermediate group at TMP and am registered for the same group at Shannonville this monday (Sept 10th).
Given that, is it worth moving to the Green/Beginners as it will be my first time there or just take the first few sessions in the Yellow group to learn the lines. Not sure what the normal process is when trying out an unfamiliar track.
 
I'm in a similar boat as TL47. I've only ridden TMP and never Shannonville. I ride in the yellow/Intermediate group at TMP and am registered for the same group at Shannonville this monday (Sept 10th).
Given that, is it worth moving to the Green/Beginners as it will be my first time there or just take the first few sessions in the Yellow group to learn the lines. Not sure what the normal process is when trying out an unfamiliar track.

I'd get input from the TD organizers not this fourm
 
You could always ask to be shown around with the green group then go ride in your normal group, this was you see the right lines and aren't a rolling road block while hitting all the bumps.
 
I'm in a similar boat as TL47. I've only ridden TMP and never Shannonville. I ride in the yellow/Intermediate group at TMP and am registered for the same group at Shannonville this monday (Sept 10th).
Given that, is it worth moving to the Green/Beginners as it will be my first time there or just take the first few sessions in the Yellow group to learn the lines. Not sure what the normal process is when trying out an unfamiliar track.

Pro6 day * Required for riders who are all-together new to trackdays, or just new to a particular circuit. *

http://www.pro6cycle.com/TrackDays/NewToTrackOrientation.aspx
 
if you've never been there,,, Just ride the bike and worry about making changes when something doesn't work.

I actually agree. The bumps are there, just ride through them. Stay loose. Avoid the grass. Job sorted.
 
I've never been to shannonville and was told the surface is not in good shape.

Just wondering how does the surface in shannonville compare to TMP? are there any nasty bumps that I should be aware of?

Personally I think the worst surfaced corner in TMP is the turn 6 left hander.

Thanks in advance.

Oh boy, where to start. TMP has its issues (off line through corner one ...) but Shannonville has deteriorated to the point that the surface is quite a bit worse. Shannonville has a better layout (by far) but the surface ... ! ! !

My race bike is 23 years old and has damper-rod forks (although with "emulators" installed and I have a steering damper). If you have something newer with better suspension that can soak up the little irregularities then maybe it won't be this bad. But here goes ...

Corner 1 long track has lots of cracked pavement that go all the way across the track for the first half-ish of the corner, you can't avoid them. Somewhere near 1/3 of the way through the corner, there is something that sends both wheels sliding sideways. I haven't been able to visually pick out what it is in order to avoid it, I just know when I hit it. Exit of corner 1 is OK.

Corners 2 and 3 long track are OK up to the exit of 3. But, you'll have plenty of brake markers to choose from going into 2 - the cracks that go all the way across. They don't bother my bike too much. But at the exit of 3, you will see a white patch in the middle of the track. Try not to hit that. It's a big dip.

Corner 4 long track is mostly okay on the right line. There is some rough pavement in the second part of it but it's easy to see and easy to stay inside it. I've never liked this corner. In the old days when you came out of corner 3 you aimed for the "Y" in the Yamaha sign ... but it isn't there any more.

Corner 5 long track (fast left sweeper) is mostly OK, there are some ripples.

Corner 6 (double apex left) on my bike is a mess. In the entrance to the corner is some rippled pavement that I have not found a way to avoid on any reasonable line into the corner. I'm on the brakes at this point and the bike chatters heavily. I really do not like going hard through this corner, there is too much suspension movement. At the exit of 6 (just passing the 2nd inside apex) I have to stay tight to avoid some more nastiness in the middle of the track.

Corners 7, 8, 9, and 10 (hairpin) are mostly OK by comparison and this is my favorite part of the track but there are still some cracks to avoid.

Corner 11 (off the end of the back straight) is basically OK but the chicane that follows is another mess on my bike and I haven't found a way through it that avoids a lot of slamming and banging.

Allen's (hard left before exit from the track) is OK but if you run wide on the exit, there is a huge dip. You will see a long section of different coloured pavement mid-track exiting that corner ... I try to be on top of that, certainly not to the right of it because that's where the dip is.

Corner coming onto the front straight is actually good - the ONLY corner on that track that in my opinion qualifies as being good pavement.

I've had the same bike for years and my times now are about 2 seconds off what they were once upon a time. How much of that is me being an olde phart, and how much of it is the track getting worse, is open to debate. I can plant a knee on the ground at any right-hand corner at TMP or Grand Bend (except the kink coming onto the front straight) but at Shannonville, I can only do it consistently coming onto the front straight and occasionally in 2 or the hairpin. My left hip is messed up and won't let that leg bend out, so I can't plant the left knee anywhere ...

Shannonville desperately needs a re-paving job. In the absence of the money for that ... at least do corners 1, 6, and the chicane. I'm very close to a decision to not go back there until it's fixed.
 
Shannonville desperately needs a re-paving job. In the absence of the money for that ... at least do corners 1, 6, and the chicane. I'm very close to a decision to not go back there until it's fixed.

It isn't great, but on a modern bike it isn't really that bad... yes you could crash there on the bumps, however. I can unsettle the tire mid-lean. It's probably why my style of riding at Shannonville needed to be un-learned for Calabogie... a lot of times there you can just fly into a corner without worry of being perfectly on-form... shannonville, you had better be getting as much lean out of your corner as you can, to let the suspension work.
 
I would only add that there is a big bump in 1 (Nelson, Pro and Long) that causes quite a bit of compression. Like Brian says, I can't see what it is..probably a drainage culvert or something that's been sinking..it's a fairly fast corner and the consequences of going off are somewhat poor. That fence out there seems a lot further away when you're looking at it from the pit wall versus heading toward it at a buck fifty.. :)
 
There's a light coloured bump in one on the exit, is that what your talking about? I hit it a few times this weekend. Corner 6 is tricky, theres a bump and a concrete patch, the line through there is about 12" wide, go outside of the bump inside of the concrete, I'm still perfecting this and the entrance is rough, still looking for a smooth line through there too.
 
The Highside Hole on the exit of 3 can be trouble! Inside it on a superbike, outside it on a 600.

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Wow, you guys make Shannonville sound so terrible. haha... I really don't mind the bumps that much. Sure it would be nice to have a full repave, but we all know that's never going to happen. At least the tar snakes are gone from 2/3 and Allen's is concrete free. The fun layout easily makes up for the grass filled cracks IMO. I'll be there on Monday, hope to see some of you out there.
 
The Highside Hole on the exit of 3 can be trouble! Inside it on a superbike, outside it on a 600.

...and wherever is right for the current lap on an SV650. LOL I usually try to be outside of it, but it seems to be right on the line that I want to take.
 

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