need help catching a fraudster/scam artist

[nvidia]

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all we have is a bounced check and a phone number that this individual does not answer to anymore. It has been more than three months and still this individual is not answering his phone. What can we do.

update:

I found out more whats going on. The individual who took off the money was the president of the used car dealership SiWoo Paul Chun. Weno Motors located at 160 Rossdean Drive, Toronto, Ontario. My dad made a full payment of $8000 for a used car but cancelled the deal when the dealer who was also the president of the used car dealership took too long to address the mechanical problems with the car. He gave my dad an initial check of $500 because he said he had financial problems and then gave a personal cheque of $7500 which bounced. He longer works there, took off with the money, coworkers don't or won't tell us where his whereabouts is.

 

[fastar1]

Wouldn't it be nice if there were some kind of system in place to handle these kinds of situations? They could call it "Law Enforcement" or something like that!

 

[Myztyk]

Wouldn't it be nice if there were some kind of system in place to handle these kinds of situations? They could call it "Law Enforcement" or something like that!

Depends on the amount of the cheque. I doubt the law will get involved unless it's significant money.

Depending on how much you need it, might be worth it to find a good PI. (I don't know any, but seems like best way to go...)

Edit: Wait, do you know where this guy is and just need your money back? Or are you trying to track him down? Finding him and getting your money out of him will be two very different things.

 

[nvidia]

we need to do both. The amount is in the thousands and it has to do with buying a car from him. money was given but the car wasn't delivered. Basically a senior citizen was taken advantage of.

I guess anyone of us can get in a situation like this. Its akin to someone buying a motorcycle and giving the money to a seller and the seller not delivering the product as promised.

 

[nfq]

Silverman helps?

or go the Private I route.

 

[Myztyk]

we need to do both. The amount is in the thousands and it has to do with buying a car from him. money was given but the car wasn't delivered. Basically a senior citizen was taken advantage of.

I guess anyone of us can get in a situation like this. Its akin to someone buying a motorcycle and giving the money to a seller and the seller not delivering the product as promised.

Hmmm...this could be tough.

I'd try a couple of phone calls to a PI and Debt Collection agencies. I don't have any to recommend, but that's where I would start.

PI may be able to track him down for you so you can get the police on him. That's probably your best bet.

Keep in mind, your money is probably already gone and you won't get it back. Best case scenario, you break even and you get the car.

 

[adamwest]

Call it a lesson? Sometimes a deal is too good to be true. I'm not making excuses for fraudsters here, but sometimes we have our own greed to thank. Something companies should start to consider more as they outsource our economy to the developing world.

 

[LiNK666]

Don't bother with the police since this is a civil matter (contract). What you can do is track down the person and see if they have any assets to their name (PI can do that). If they do you can sue them in small claims court and then when you get a judgement against them make sure to mention to the court he has assets and if he doesn't comply with the order you'd like to use them get the money back.

Don't let him get a hint that you know about his assets.

Sadly, people like these exists. I doubt this person has anything on his name as he probably does this for a living.

Good luck!

 

[Duster929]

Depends on the amount of the cheque. I doubt the law will get involved unless it's significant money.

Significant for whom?

Obviously it's significant for the OP, or they wouldn't be trying to recover it. I guess you're suggesting that law enforcement won't get involved unless it's significant money for them. That's not exactly the spirit of serving and protecting.

 

[Duster929]

Don't bother with the police since this is a civil matter (contract). What you can do is track down the person and see if they have any assets to their name (PI can do that). If they do you can sue them in small claims court and then when you get a judgement against them make sure to mention to the court he has assets and if he doesn't comply with the order you'd like to use them get the money back.

Don't let him get a hint that you know about his assets.

Sadly, people like these exists. I doubt this person has anything on his name as he probably does this for a living.

Good luck!

If it's fraud, it's criminal, not just civil.

 

[LiNK666]

Significant for whom?

Obviously it's significant for the OP, or they wouldn't be trying to recover it. I guess you're suggesting that law enforcement won't get involved unless it's significant money for them. That's not exactly the spirit of serving and protecting.

Ticket quotas aren't exactly the spirit of serving and protecting. The all mighty dollar gives spirit to everyone.

 

[Scuba Steve]

Unfortunatly the police seem to be less than useless in Ontario, they are way to busy. The average cop in TO has to respond to a call once every 2 shifts. With that kind of workload who could get things done.

 

[Myztyk]

Significant for whom?

Obviously it's significant for the OP, or they wouldn't be trying to recover it. I guess you're suggesting that law enforcement won't get involved unless it's significant money for them. That's not exactly the spirit of serving and protecting.

Wow...that's what you come up with after reading this thread? This will not be a priority for any officer unless it is a significant amount of money. Stop trying to troll and try to help the guy out. I'm sure in 5600 posts you've put out SOMETHING useful.

Given the massive caseloads most officers are carrying, something like this just won't be a priority. It's a statement of fact. This is especially true in the GTA.

If the OP gets lucky, he might be able to tug on an officer's heartstrings by saying it was an elderly individual who was defrauded. (Which, based on reading Link's post, I'm actually not even sure it is. It does feel like a breach of contract. Individual was paid for goods...did not deliver said goods.)

Hire a PI, point the police in the right direction and you may see something happen out of it. I sense there is an urgency to recovering this money or getting the car and the quickest way to do that will be by going outside the police.

 

[D23]

OP if you want help post everything you have in detail.

You are giving no information so you are going to get the same results.....

Did you get a VIN number prior to sale?

Do you have the add for the vehicle or info on Make, model year?

Did you pay with check, Cash, MO?

What name was on the check that bounced? How was it sent IE: In the mail?

What is the phone number?

Depending on what info you have we may be able to tell you what the best route is to find this guy (or even find him for you). It's actually pretty easy for some people but again it depends....

 

[Duster929]

Wow...that's what you come up with after reading this thread? This will not be a priority for any officer unless it is a significant amount of money. Stop trying to troll and try to help the guy out. I'm sure in 5600 posts you've put out SOMETHING useful.

Given the massive caseloads most officers are carrying, something like this just won't be a priority. It's a statement of fact. This is especially true in the GTA.

If the OP gets lucky, he might be able to tug on an officer's heartstrings by saying it was an elderly individual who was defrauded. (Which, based on reading Link's post, I'm actually not even sure it is. It does feel like a breach of contract. Individual was paid for goods...did not deliver said goods.)

Hire a PI, point the police in the right direction and you may see something happen out of it. I sense there is an urgency to recovering this money or getting the car and the quickest way to do that will be by going outside the police.

Wow yourself. I'm not trolling, I'm suggesting that something that's significant to a citizen might not be significant to a police officer, and there's a misalignment of priorities. Actually, I'm pretty sure I'm agreeing with you.

 

[Myztyk]

OP if you want help post everything you have in detail.

You are giving no information so you are going to get the same results.....

Did you get a VIN number prior to sale?

Do you have the add for the vehicle or info on Make, model year?

Did you pay with check, Cash, MO?

What name was on the check that bounced? How was it sent IE: In the mail?

What is the phone number?

Depending on what info you have we may be able to tell you what the best route is to find this guy (or even find him for you). It's actually pretty easy for some people but again it depends....

A lot of good advice in here.

 

[Chaos]

slime

 

[REDBALLS]

Did this senior send payment to buy a car they had never actually saw in person before? Was this senior told that the seller would send a cheque for shipping cost of the car plus a little more for the inconvenience of having the buyer wire the money to the "shipping company"?

 

[FitzR6]

I have some brass knuckles and and a baseball bat. When u wanna go collect? LoL

Seriously though, check out www.phonebusters.com

 

[Lightcycle]

Don't most cheques have an address on them?

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