M2 Exit Road Examination - Belleville, Ontario Drive Test Center

[Jason_]

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Is any familiar with the M2 Exit Road Examination - Belleville, Ontario Drive Test Center and the route that is used for the test. LIke most of us, we'd like to become familiar with the route before taking the road test. Thanks, Jason

 

[Emefef]

Is any familiar with the M2 Exit Road Examination - Belleville, Ontario Drive Test Center and the route that is used for the test. LIke most of us, we'd like to become familiar with the route before taking the road test. Thanks, Jason

I'm genuinely curious. Why do people think that being familiar with the route will help?
I think that familiarity could lead to mistakes, especially if you remember it incorrectly, you don't have the correct information, or the route changes because of an unforeseen situation (emergency road repair, collision, crime scene). Then you're anticipating something that isn't going to happen, instead of simply following the examiner's directions. I've been through at least a few hundred tests, and nobody knew the route in advance. Most of the failures have been for single violations - significant violations like missing a stop sign or red light. Why? Because they're thinking too much about the little things. I think that knowing, or believing you know, the test route in advance would have you thinking about what was coming up instead of just following the directions and paying attention to the traffic.

 

[grahamscrackers]

M2 exit here in Belleville.

I found it to be a simple route, no tricks to get lost or wrong turns to take. The first turn they took me on I got marked down as being to wide, there was sand all over it. I doubt they knew about it.

Basics of the route, the neighbourhood between College, Cannifton and Adam St then 401 to Loyalist and back. Learn the school zone, the sign is slightly obstructed by trees.

Best of luck to future riders in Belleville, shoot me a PM if you are looking for company for a ride.

 

[Jason_]

Hi Graham,

Sorry for the late response, this site is legging in sending out notifications of new thread and PM responses. I just received this, as of now.

Happy Riding, you have a PM.

Jason

M2 exit here in Belleville.

I found it to be a simple route, no tricks to get lost or wrong turns to take. The first turn they took me on I got marked down as being to wide, there was sand all over it. I doubt they knew about it.

Basics of the route, the neighbourhood between College, Cannifton and Adam St then 401 to Loyalist and back. Learn the school zone, the sign is slightly obstructed by trees.

Best of luck to future riders in Belleville, shoot me a PM if you are looking for company for a ride.

 

[Jason_]

Good Morning,

You raised a good question, and I would agree myself in some instances. My mind set was this:

Route = Time of day = Time to book road test to better suit my needs as an applicant= obstacles and lastly traffic conjestion based on the route.

In the end though your correct, my experience was you are to follow the directions regardless. But in the long run, a drivers experience based in the city of living does make a differences to know the flow of traffic before taking the road test.



Practice does make positive results though!

Jason

 

[Jason_]

I'm genuinely curious. Why do people think that being familiar with the route will help?
I think that familiarity could lead to mistakes, especially if you remember it incorrectly, you don't have the correct information, or the route changes because of an unforeseen situation (emergency road repair, collision, crime scene). Then you're anticipating something that isn't going to happen, instead of simply following the examiner's directions. I've been through at least a few hundred tests, and nobody knew the route in advance. Most of the failures have been for single violations - significant violations like missing a stop sign or red light. Why? Because they're thinking too much about the little things. I think that knowing, or believing you know, the test route in advance would have you thinking about what was coming up instead of just following the directions and paying attention to the traffic.

Good Morning,

You raised a good question, and I would agree myself in some instances. My mind set was this:

Route = Time of day = Time to book road test to better suit my needs as an applicant= obstacles and lastly traffic conjestion based on the route.

In the end though your correct, my experience was you are to follow the directions regardless. But in the long run, a drivers experience based in the city of living does make a differences to know the flow of traffic before taking the road test.

For example, It'd be an M2 EXIT applicants last resort to take a road test at 8:45 in the morning or 4:00pm in the GTA area.



Practice does make positive results. Good thread to chat about though.

Bye

Jason

 

[Emefef]

For example, It'd be an M2 EXIT applicants last resort to take a road test at 8:45 in the morning or 4:00pm in the GTA area.


Jason

If you are from outside the GTA and/or nervous in heavy traffic, yes. In any other case, maybe not - here's a few reasons:
It's not the applicant's responsibility to allow room for the examiner's vehicle when changing lanes, turning, proceeding through intersections, etc.
The applicant does not have to execute a manoeuvre if he/she doens't believe it to be safe (although they should be requiring you to do it later somewhere else).
In heavier traffic, there will always be hazards to look at, so your head will always be moving.
In heavier traffic, there will always be hazards for the examiner to look at too.

Why do these work in your favour? The examiner can only mark errors that they can see. If they're having a difficult time keeping you in sight as a result of traffic, they can't see as well. It happens frequently that an examiner will miss a specific part of an approach to, or completion of a turn because of traffic. One of the things people complain about often is the exaggerated head movement required to show you're checking your mirrors. I heavier traffic you're likely to be looking around at the cars, even if not specifically checking your mirrors.

Would it be more relaxing with no traffic? Sure - and the examiner can focus entirely on you, with fewer concessions to be granted becuase it so easy. That makes it easier for them too.

 

[wonderings]

I'm genuinely curious. Why do people think that being familiar with the route will help?
I think that familiarity could lead to mistakes, especially if you remember it incorrectly, you don't have the correct information, or the route changes because of an unforeseen situation (emergency road repair, collision, crime scene). Then you're anticipating something that isn't going to happen, instead of simply following the examiner's directions. I've been through at least a few hundred tests, and nobody knew the route in advance. Most of the failures have been for single violations - significant violations like missing a stop sign or red light. Why? Because they're thinking too much about the little things. I think that knowing, or believing you know, the test route in advance would have you thinking about what was coming up instead of just following the directions and paying attention to the traffic.

+1

Just rider properly and be comfortable in your knowledge of knowing how to ride and the rules of the road. There are no tricks.

 

[matthew]

I find it ironic that many people here will complain about the lack of skill that many car drivers exhibit and they will often wonder how they recieve their license but a lot of motorcyclists on this board want to be spoon feed their license.

 

[Emefef]

I find it ironic that many people here will complain about the lack of skill that many car drivers exhibit and they will often wonder how they recieve their license but a lot of motorcyclists on this board want to be spoon feed their license.

Oh yes you DID say that! That's a good observation.

 

[mikbusa]

Yeah, study the "exact" route, and when they change it on you, panic.

 

[Emefef]

Yeah, study the "exact" route, and when they change it on you, panic.

Then you can tell them they did it wrong. They like that.

 

[Jason_]

I find it ironic that many people here will complain about the lack of skill that many car drivers exhibit and they will often wonder how they recieve their license but a lot of motorcyclists on this board want to be spoon feed their license.

That may be perhaps for some. Back to the basics. Remember when? I droped my bike? remember when I ---- Took my first road test - Remember when I practiced for my first road test?

Let us not forget! New or experienced drivers.

Main thing is to ride safe everyone.

 

[Emefef]

That may be perhaps for some. Back to the basics. Remember when? I droped my bike? remember when I ---- Took my first road test - Remember when I practiced for my first road test?

Let us not forget! New or experienced drivers.

Main thing is to ride safe everyone.

Fair enough. Whatever Matthew meant by his post, here's why I agreed.
Much of the discussion in several different, yet related threads, are about passing the M2 Exit test. Is that bad? No. There's some good discussion. What is ironic, though, is that people want to know the route, want to know if the earpiece will affect anything (not so bad, could be considered a legitimate logistical question), and more specifically, what speed/lane position/amount of head movement is appropriate while i'm on my test.
These questions aren't about best practices. They aren't about what's safe. They are specifically aimed at figuring out what to do for half an hour to make examiners think they know what to do, then they can go about riding however they want. That is EXACTLY how people get licences, whether G or M. Do the right thing long enough to pass a test. Even morons that only drive cages can be coached to do enough things right for long enough to pass a test - even if they have no clue why it's right.

 

[matthew]

How long before motorcylists from the GTA start going to Bancroft to book their tests?

http://www.thestar.com/news/investigations/2010/04/09/testing_drivers_on_roads_less_travelled.html

 

[Sunspark]

Annoying. I grew up in Scarborough and I took my G road test at the Warden testing centre on the actual roads with trucks and other stuff rolling around. Didn't pass the first attempt either.

Even back in those days people would go to the airport or something so they could do their G test on an indoor simulated course or something. I don't know how it is now, but back in the 80s I'm pretty sure there was at least 1 G centre by the airport that wasn't on actual city streets.

People travelling out of town for the test was to get appointment sooner. The wait list at Warden was many months long.

 

[Emefef]

Annoying. I grew up in Scarborough and I took my G road test at the Warden testing centre on the actual roads with trucks and other stuff rolling around. Didn't pass the first attempt either.

Even back in those days people would go to the airport or something so they could do their G test on an indoor simulated course or something. I don't know how it is now, but back in the 80s I'm pretty sure there was at least 1 G centre by the airport that wasn't on actual city streets.

People travelling out of town for the test was to get appointment sooner. The wait list at Warden was many months long.

Yep, the John Rhodes Center in Brampton was an enclosed licence facility. The only other traffic was other licence applicants!

When the current M2 Exit test and associated training programs were being implemented, there was a small group of instructors that believed it was too dangerous, that it required too much of the riders and that it would be very difficult for anyone to pass. (I recognize that in the early years the pass rate at MTO sites was low, but this discussion was in the context of the training/testing programs) They argued that all of the training and testing should be done on a range, the way basic courses and m1 exit testing are done. As you can tell, they didn't win that argument. M2 Exit and G2 Exit testing is for applicants with riding/driving experience. If they are not already confident on the road, they are not ready for a full licence.

 

[Jason_]

Fair enough. Whatever Matthew meant by his post, here's why I agreed.
Much of the discussion in several different, yet related threads, are about passing the M2 Exit test. Is that bad? No. There's some good discussion. What is ironic, though, is that people want to know the route, want to know if the earpiece will affect anything (not so bad, could be considered a legitimate logistical question), and more specifically, what speed/lane position/amount of head movement is appropriate while i'm on my test.
These questions aren't about best practices. They aren't about what's safe. They are specifically aimed at figuring out what to do for half an hour to make examiners think they know what to do, then they can go about riding however they want. That is EXACTLY how people get licences, whether G or M. Do the right thing long enough to pass a test. Even morons that only drive cages can be coached to do enough things right for long enough to pass a test - even if they have no clue why it's right.

True True,

It's a double edged sword. I agree with your comments and your observations! Funny now that we go more in-depth into this topic. CWD ( Canada's Worst Drivers ) I'm amazed those people and have been for years legally licensed to drive.

I viewed on the news sometime ago that most Professional Motorcycle Driving Schools that administer Road Test's and training are asking for the Government ( MTO) to become more stringent for new Drivers aqua ring their Motorcycle License. The same should be for G (Car). In reflecting more on this topic, isn't and individual that obtains their M1 can Drive under G1 conditions aswell and so forth?

 

[Emefef]

In reflecting more on this topic, isn't and individual that obtains their M1 can Drive under G1 conditions aswell and so forth?

Not quite. An M2 or full M allows you to drive a G class vehicle under the same restrictions as a G1 holder.

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