Lied to by dealership service dept?

TekNinja81

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Let me start off by saying that, up until now, I've generally had a very good experience with this dealership and gladly referred people there. I don't want to name names, as they've otherwise been quite good to me...

However, my girlfriend recently picked up my old Ninja 250R off me, and we had noticed a clicking/rattling sound earlier in the year. Asked at the dealership about it, they said it was just a cold engine sound, as it went away after the bike warmed up a bit. (But said this without actually checking it, as they'd have wanted the bike left there for upwards of 2 weeks at the time before even inspecting it...)

Since then, the rattling/clicking sound got significantly worse, and the bike seemed to be a bit sluggish at times, so we took the 250R in to another shop I've since been dealing with, and he's had to dismantle the entire engine, flush it out, and found some metal chips etc that had gotten into the engine and were circulating in there somehow. That's all pretty much said and done, but what we found out at that point was that all 4 of my valves are outside of factory specs, way too tight, to the point where they may have done some serious damage to the engine.

As part of a previous service inspection, the dealership was supposed to have checked valve clearances; the shop I now go to has informed me that the valve cover has never even been removed before, even still has the factory gasket/glue etc on it, and considering the bike was only there for about an hour during this service checkup (which included an oil change, coolant top-up, and some other stuff), there is no way they could possibly have even looked at the valves let alone adjusted them -- there wouldn't have been time to let the bike cool down enough for an accurate reading.

My question is now: that inspection was performed several months ago, and there is a significant amount of mileage on the bike since then... is there any course of action I should pursue with/against them, or am I pretty much SOL? It strikes me that this valve clearance issue/possible damage was at least indirectly caused by them, but I am well aware of the fact that with the time and mileage involved since then, they can just as easily say it happened since then. What I'm wondering is if there's any way they can be held accoutable with the fact the valve cover was never even touched?

I'm by no means mechanically-inclined, so if any of this sounds strange to you guys please let me know. Would appreciate any useful advice that can be shared.

Thanks!
 
I don't know if there's anything you can do that would get you any compensation....however, the first thing I'd do (if it were me) is go and speak to the head manager and tell him flat out that you took the bike to another shop and what they told you. See what he says, then go from there.

If you're willing to walk and not deal with them anymore if he doesn't give a satisfactory answer, tell him that. Also let him know that you've passing along your experience to friends (word of mouth is a powerful thing)...and will calling the BBB to file a complaint (since I would think what they've done is essentially fraud). I'd also be speaking to head office, especially if this is a dealership. Nothing may come of that though, depends on if the company really cares....
 
What does the work order on the 1 hour service say they did? If it says they checked the valves and the other shop can prove they did not then you should have some leverage.

Let me start off by saying that, up until now, I've generally had a very good experience with this dealership and gladly referred people there. I don't want to name names, as they've otherwise been quite good to me...

However, my girlfriend recently picked up my old Ninja 250R off me, and we had noticed a clicking/rattling sound earlier in the year. Asked at the dealership about it, they said it was just a cold engine sound, as it went away after the bike warmed up a bit. (But said this without actually checking it, as they'd have wanted the bike left there for upwards of 2 weeks at the time before even inspecting it...)

Since then, the rattling/clicking sound got significantly worse, and the bike seemed to be a bit sluggish at times, so we took the 250R in to another shop I've since been dealing with, and he's had to dismantle the entire engine, flush it out, and found some metal chips etc that had gotten into the engine and were circulating in there somehow. That's all pretty much said and done, but what we found out at that point was that all 4 of my valves are outside of factory specs, way too tight, to the point where they may have done some serious damage to the engine.

As part of a previous service inspection, the dealership was supposed to have checked valve clearances; the shop I now go to has informed me that the valve cover has never even been removed before, even still has the factory gasket/glue etc on it, and considering the bike was only there for about an hour during this service checkup (which included an oil change, coolant top-up, and some other stuff), there is no way they could possibly have even looked at the valves let alone adjusted them -- there wouldn't have been time to let the bike cool down enough for an accurate reading.

My question is now: that inspection was performed several months ago, and there is a significant amount of mileage on the bike since then... is there any course of action I should pursue with/against them, or am I pretty much SOL? It strikes me that this valve clearance issue/possible damage was at least indirectly caused by them, but I am well aware of the fact that with the time and mileage involved since then, they can just as easily say it happened since then. What I'm wondering is if there's any way they can be held accoutable with the fact the valve cover was never even touched?

I'm by no means mechanically-inclined, so if any of this sounds strange to you guys please let me know. Would appreciate any useful advice that can be shared.

Thanks!
 
The only way to do things right is to do them yourself.
What you have now is word of one person against the word of another person.
 
The only way to do things right is to do them yourself.
What you have now is word of one person against the word of another person.

+1. This is why I do my own work. I'm just about to do my 2nd valve check/adjustment on my 250.

I would definitely check the work order. If it says that they did a valve inspection (which is impossible to do in an hour on the Ninja 250), and it's obvious they didn't, then I would take issue with them. Otherwise, I don't think there is much you can do. How many kilometres were on the bike when it went in for service, and how many are on it now?

These engines get tight over time, not loose, which you saw. Surprised you heard a ticking. The fact that you were losing power does mean that you were getting pretty close to grenading it. Someone else here had that happen earlier this summer. Get the valves adjusted, and count yourself lucky.
 
hope things, workout. spend some time educating yourself about bikes.1 hour labor?you should have known they didnt do the valves.
 
How much mileage is on the bike ? and how much mileage was the other service ? and how much mileage is now ? you say significant without naming numbers. My significant is 50k ... if you are saying you did 50k between 'inspections' for sure your valves are going to be out of spec...
 
Where are you getting your bike serviced now? I think people that don't do their own work (me) would like to find a good, honest place to take their (my) bike...
 
Where are you getting your bike serviced now? I think people that don't do their own work (me) would like to find a good, honest place to take their (my) bike...

me! when I have time...
 
At work so not much time to reply in detail about the situation, but where I'm NOW going is 22Customs, out at 31 Beverly Hills Drive in North York. Jason there is a great guy and generally very quick to get work done (properly).
 
At work so not much time to reply in detail about the situation, but where I'm NOW going is 22Customs, out at 31 Beverly Hills Drive in North York. Jason there is a great guy and generally very quick to get work done (properly).

You didn't say whether you were getting the dealer to do the scheduled maintenance at the specified km intervals. At each interval there is a checklist of things to be done. Was your bike in warranty at your last dealer maintenance interval. If the valves was suppose to have been checked, when and how many km did you ride since your last valve check. If you are overdue and you are out of warranty = SOL.
 
Cool, thanks!
At work so not much time to reply in detail about the situation, but where I'm NOW going is 22Customs, out at 31 Beverly Hills Drive in North York. Jason there is a great guy and generally very quick to get work done (properly).
 
If you still have the invoice I would suggest to go chat with the service manager and let him know, mistakes can happen and will happen whether intentionally or not, let the manager know and let him also know that you won't bring your bike to his dealership or refer anyone there. Maybe he will be willing to offer you at least an apology. Then move on.

Life is too short to spend on getting upset over stuff like that. That's my 2 cents and good luck to your girlfriend with her new old bike of yours :)
 
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