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legal definition, and your opinion on YEILD

meester_jamie

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the YIELD sign in Ontario seems to have a huge misunderstanding in my opinion. especially when entering a round-a-bout, or there are some Y shaped intersections where the right branch has a yield sign,
I have always been told a yield sign is basically a stoptional sign,, if a vehicle has the right of way over yours, you have to slow, or stop to allow that vehicle to complete its manouver.

the vehicle with the r.o.w. isn't expected to allow you to MERGE ... they should expect you to hang on,, relax.. wait till they pass , then you can follow in behind ...

almost every morning I enter a roundabout, and when I get past the blind spot in the middle.. there is the BUS PLUS merging in ... butts right in and it is difficult to slow on the off camber while making the lean towards the exit.
That driver seems to speed up approaching the YIELD sign so they can merge or butt in

I don't think they are speeding , and I can't seem to get a solid definition of YIELD to be able to make a point to their supervisor, as I think a Bus driver should have some sort of defensive driving... but that YIELD to bus sign on the back of the bus seems to give the bus driver an offensive mood.... they just signal, pull out, sometimes they look back to see who they cut off, mostly, they are still just fiddling with the coin box and or the last passenger still walking to the seat

really, what does yield mean?
 
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Not sure what yeild means but yield means to wait until it is clear, then continue without impeding other traffic.
 
Busses in Toronto got a special rule that requires drivers to yield to them when they are pulling out. The actual wording requires the bus driver to wait until it is safe (ie. it is a suggestion for the cars to yield and they could get a ticket for it, but it does not allow the bus driver to do whatever the f they want). Some bus drivers have tried to use this rule as an exemption from any common sense while behind the wheel.

Take videos, post on youtube, send link to supervisor, let them sort out whether the bus driver was being overly aggressive.
 
get a dash cam, i hope my next car has one built in...too many times, people assuming yielding means that both parties should oblige...
 
GreyGhost said:
Busses in Toronto got a special rule that requires drivers to yield to them when they are pulling out. The actual wording requires the bus driver to wait until it is safe (ie. it is a suggestion for the cars to yield and they could get a ticket for it, but it does not allow the bus driver to do whatever the f they want). Some bus drivers have tried to use this rule as an exemption from any common sense while behind the wheel.

Take videos, post on youtube, send link to supervisor, let them sort out whether the bus driver was being overly aggressive.
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I have seen buses after picking up/dropping off a passenger just hit the left signal and come back into the lane forcing a passing car into on-coming traffic, It is almost a common occurence since I live near downtown and a bus passes every 5 mins.
I can understand if the car tries AFTER the bus has its signal on but they seem to think that as soon as they hit the signal they have the ROW no matter where a car might be.
 
video might be a great idea! I'll turn the minivan into a gopro-google-mobile, get the wife to park it to be able to view my exit as that bus is approaching their entrance to the circle.
sigh,, thing is.. it seems that soooo many folks are into butting in
My experience with GTA driving is positive,, I sort of like a driver that needs to enter the road to do it without hesitation,, but the Region of Waterloo has some GTA style driving, they pull out in front of you, and take off! vroom, gone! good! , and some Dog River drivers that have to second guess the move they just made,,, they pull out in front of you... almost come to a stop to wave,, <meek> sorrrry .........then drive away as you are trying to pull around them ,,,,,,,,,</meek> just gtfo the way! jayzus!
I guess I don't like mergers at yield signs,,
Last night, there was a rider down at the roundabout on fountain near 401 .. he refused medical treatment, and I didn't hear the cause yet.
 
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GreyGhost said:
Busses in Toronto got a special rule that requires drivers to yield to them when they are pulling out. The actual wording requires the bus driver to wait until it is safe (ie. it is a suggestion for the cars to yield and they could get a ticket for it..
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This is not a City of Toronto bylaw but an Ontario Highway Traffic Act statute.

Ontario HTA said:
Requirement to yield to bus from bus bay

142.1 (1) Every driver of a vehicle in the lane of traffic adjacent to a bus bay shall yield the right of way to the driver of a bus who has indicated his or her intention, as prescribed, to re-enter that lane from the bus bay. 1994, c. 27, s. 138 (12).
Bus not to signal until ready
(2) The driver of a bus shall not indicate his or her intention to re-enter the lane of traffic adjacent to a bus bay until the driver is ready to re-enter traffic. 1994, c. 27, s. 138 (12).
When bus must wait
(3) No driver of a bus shall re-enter the lane of traffic adjacent to a bus bay and move into the path of a vehicle or street car if the vehicle or street car is so close that it is impractical for the driver to yield the right of way. 1994, c. 27, s. 138 (12).
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You are a single vehicle and should yield to the bus. If you are riding you should see and anticipate that a bus is about to go back into the curb lane. Slow down or move to the left lane. If you need to slam on your brakes you are probably going too fast or are not concentrating on the road and traffic. Whomever is right or wrong is immaterial, as in a crash you will lose, wreck your bike and possibly spend time in your local ER. Always yield to the larger vehicle.
 
TorontoBoy said:
This is not a City of Toronto bylaw but an Ontario Highway Traffic Act statute.



You are a single vehicle and should yield to the bus. If you are riding you should see and anticipate that a bus is about to go back into the curb lane. Slow down or move to the left lane. If you need to slam on your brakes you are probably going too fast or are not concentrating on the road and traffic. Whomever is right or wrong is immaterial, as in a crash you will lose, wreck your bike and possibly spend time in your local ER. Always yield to the larger vehicle.
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Thanks for posting the actual info. I didn't realize it was province wide. I have seen busses with cars wedged under them that pulled out in contravention of section 3, there were a number of news stories over a year ago where bus drivers were being slapped down for overly agressive driving as they were living by 1 and 2 and completely ignoring 3.
 
The whole problem is that nobody in Canada knows how to properly use a traffic circle. Personally, I've been almost killed 3 times in once on my bike over the past 2 years.

Once time, as with the OP, a large vehicle (this time a loaded dump truck) had no intention of stopping and letting me exit to the right immediately after his entry point. I had to do an extra lap of the circle - after barely missing him (whilst watching his hood shudder and lurch while he slammed the brakes). Next 2 times were people who had no clue which lane they should be in, and subsequently, their paths in the circles ended up as follows -- outside lane, inside lane, outside lane, merge to inside lane without signal or shoulder check. Both times, I was in the inside lane and started entering the circle - they had a higher speed as they didn't come to a complete stop before entering. Had to slam the brakes both times (put a foot down as I came to a complete stop one time) -- if I hadn't stopped, each time I would have been side swiped into the middle island. Got a loud bike too (Buell 1125r, HMF exhaust) - so, the "Loud Pipes Save Lives" is proven to be bunk.
 
so, today I was sort of educated a bit more... the roundabout that gives me grief is a single lane so to continue going roundabout isn't in the design, but I guess with a bike, it might be the better option. What I found is there is technically a difference with a traffic circle and a roundabout. With the roundabout being smaller. The traffic circles I have experienced are much easier to navigate as there are more lanes.

as per wiki "transportation professionals are careful to use "roundabout" when referring to newer designs and "traffic circle" or "rotary" when referring to ones that do not meet the criteria listed"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout

I see the waterloo region has / or is going to change signs from yeild to pedestrians, to stop for pedestrians.. and they used to say,, pedestrians must yeild to vehicles... which apperantly contravens the HTA giving the pedestrian the row....
 
meester_jamie said:
D'oh, I finally got the point,,, spelling !
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It is surprising how important spelling and grammar are. There is so much to read nowadays that I skip right over text that is not capitalized properly. If the author, who supposedly cares the most about the ideas, will not take the trouble to make the text neat and easy to read, why should I care what that author is trying to say? Then I reread something I have written, and sometimes I find I have misspelled a TWO-LETTER word, such as "if" for "is" and thus I have demolished the whole message. "Chagrined" is a fine word to describe how I feel. If you have learned how to spell "yield", this has been a worthwhile thread. Rules help a bit, but the phrase "their weird scientist" shatters the advice about "I before E except after C, doesn't it?
 
yah,, lol, that is sort of like "eli the ice" man,, lots of e's and eyes ,, but no oh,, ei ei ei o !
o, and taht spllenig wehre olny the frist and lsat letter of the wrod are correct but you can still raed it. I cnduo't bvleiee taht I culod aulaclty uesdtannrd waht I was rdnaieg. Unisg the icndeblire pweor of the hmuan mnid... I must have a powerful mind! lol
 
I have another question on yield, there is an intersection in Trenton that have yield signs into lanes that are not on the other side of the intersection...

http://g.co/maps/xmv54

Street view of the intersection.
http://g.co/maps/4be8k

As you can see you have one lane on the left (which went straight through the intersection) and one lane on the right which is a continuation of the right lane of the road that intersects the thru road. The right lane has a yield sign but who do they yield to? there was no through lane... Do they have to yield to people in the other lane even though it continues on it's own?
 
CruisnGrrl said:
I have another question on yield, there is an intersection in Trenton that have yield signs into lanes that are not on the other side of the intersection...

http://g.co/maps/xmv54

Street view of the intersection.
http://g.co/maps/4be8k

As you can see you have one lane on the left (which went straight through the intersection) and one lane on the right which is a continuation of the right lane of the road that intersects the thru road. The right lane has a yield sign but who do they yield to? there was no through lane... Do they have to yield to people in the other lane even though it continues on it's own?
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Someone might come through the light as you get to the yield (or yeild sic) sign and want to turn right, into the first driveway past the guardrail. So even though there is a lane for you to go into, you could possibly force them to stay in the middle lane to avoid hitting you, when in fact, they want to be in the right hand lane. So you have to pick a spot to merge into traffic keeping in mind that people might be veering into the right hand lane and slamming on the brakes ahead of you, while the people behind them won't be expecting you to come out at all if you are too close.

Too confusing?

Someone could drive down the left lane and veer all the way across to the right lane, and have the right-of-way over you.
 
Baggsy said:
Someone could drive down the left lane and veer all the way across to the right lane, and have the right-of-way over you.
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I can't see the streetview here at work, but is there enough space/time for a car to change lanes safely? I believe there's something in the "stunting" law that talks about changing lanes to fast.

In Brampton at Rutherford and Steeles. When your traveling north turing right onto Steeles the lane continues all the way to the southbound 410. There is no Yield sign, yet about90% of the people stop and wait to turn. I have honked at people and gotten very angry about because they would just sit there and wait until there was no traffic. I really get peeved when people don't pay attention to signs. There's an intersection in the plaza at Winston Churchill and Argentia. When your coming into the parking lot southbound from Winston, there is a four way intersection, but on three way stop. Incoming traffic does not have to stop, but so many people either stop anyway, or the other people think it IS a four way stop and start going when your coming in.
 
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