It might be time for ‘zero trust’ in our computer chips

Anyone else thinking cfmoto and polestar?
Why just them? Everybody was hurting for chips. Sadly counterfeits have made it into the part supply for decades. Tons of profit and minimal risk to the overseas supplier (if you get caught, just disappear and start a new company).

Long ago, a supplier started putting six lines on the head of their bolts as they could sell them for much more. They were normal crappy bolts marked as Grade 8. They made it into a lot of assemblies before the substitution was noticed. Was everything disassembled to get them back out? Probably not.
 
Too much money to be made, trust isn't a problem, it just become risk management.

I'm actually surprised how much is manufactured in a country with questionable ethics that is used in some critical stuff in the west.
Maybe one day there will be a reckoning.
 
Too much money to be made, trust isn't a problem, it just become risk management.

I'm actually surprised how much is manufactured in a country with questionable ethics that is used in some critical stuff in the west.
Maybe one day there will be a reckoning.
The article mentioned potential dodgy chips in stability control systems. Can you imagine if NHTSA mandated that a manufacturer swap out every stability system they have made in the past bunch of years as they are legally required and can't prove that they work properly? I don't know what threshold it would take to get to that point. The scary thing about stability control is it can easily become unstability control if it makes mistakes (eg grabbing the rear outside brake in a corner sends you over at least one lane and there is nothing the driver can do to anticipate or prevent it). Getting their hands on tens of millions of chips to do the recall would be crushing. Dealer time to swap a computer on every vehicle in circulation would be crazy. Once you know that some dodgy chips are in the supply chain but you have no idea where they are, you can't have a finely controlled target.
 
Why just them? Everybody was hurting for chips. Sadly counterfeits have made it into the part supply for decades. Tons of profit and minimal risk to the overseas supplier (if you get caught, just disappear and start a new company).

Long ago, a supplier started putting six lines on the head of their bolts as they could sell them for much more. They were normal crappy bolts marked as Grade 8. They made it into a lot of assemblies before the substitution was noticed. Was everything disassembled to get them back out? Probably not.
You missed my point. If china has a fake chip problem how many other pars and pieces are also likely not to spec when the whole thing is built there.
 
You missed my point. If china has a fake chip problem how many other pars and pieces are also likely not to spec when the whole thing is built there.
It's all about morals and QC. If conventional manufacturers (and even plane manufacturers) have no issue turning a blind eye, I don't automatically assume that Chinese manufacturers are worse.
 
Boeing had a panel blow off an aircraft last week because there were no bolts installed to hold it in place . China isn’t the worst at everything.


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Boeing had a panel blow off an aircraft last week because there were no bolts installed to hold it in place . China isn’t the worst at everything.


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They may have been installed at one point. When other planes were checked and "additional tightening was required", that was the understatement of the year. From their statement, I was envisioning more torque required not every visible bolt falling out.

 
Guy I was drinking with last night , Maintenance Director for AC global , sees reports on all this crap , even planes they dont use and other airlines . Final reports are often far from the truth.


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The article mentioned potential dodgy chips in stability control systems. Can you imagine if NHTSA mandated that a manufacturer swap out every stability system they have made in the past bunch of years as they are legally required and can't prove that they work properly? I don't know what threshold it would take to get to that point. The scary thing about stability control is it can easily become unstability control if it makes mistakes (eg grabbing the rear outside brake in a corner sends you over at least one lane and there is nothing the driver can do to anticipate or prevent it).

Might explain that guy's low-side on his KTM that should have had IMU lean-sensitive ABS/traction control.
 
Might explain that guy's low-side on his KTM that should have had IMU lean-sensitive ABS/traction control.
I'd hope not. My guess on that one was speed. A lot of the systems give up at low speed as sensor resolution isn't sufficient to calculate reliably. Iirc 20 km/h used to be common. Not sure if that has changed. 20km/h in a wet corner with a painted line, oil slick or metal could easily cause brown pants.
 
I'd hope not. My guess on that one was speed. A lot of the systems give up at low speed as sensor resolution isn't sufficient to calculate reliably. Iirc 20 km/h used to be common. Not sure if that has changed. 20km/h in a wet corner with a painted line, oil slick or metal could easily cause brown pants.

In that case they should be stating those limitations, which I don't think I've ever heard. Even then, what's the difference between 20 and say 21 km/h?
 
Why just them? Everybody was hurting for chips. Sadly counterfeits have made it into the part supply for decades. Tons of profit and minimal risk to the overseas supplier (if you get caught, just disappear and start a new company).

Long ago, a supplier started putting six lines on the head of their bolts as they could sell them for much more. They were normal crappy bolts marked as Grade 8. They made it into a lot of assemblies before the substitution was noticed. Was everything disassembled to get them back out? Probably not.
Remember truck tires flying off? The studs were never hardened. Lots were used before they were noticed. That company disappeared. And the gov. Made tire changing a trade so it appeared something was done.
 
Too much money to be made, trust isn't a problem, it just become risk management.

I'm actually surprised how much is manufactured in a country with questionable ethics that is used in some critical stuff in the west.
Maybe one day there will be a reckoning.
No one can drink the water on our newest war ships. Quess where the water valves came from.
 
No one can drink the water on our newest war ships. Quess where the water valves came from.
A friend was a foreman on a site where a high pressure coupling fractured causing an injury. At the following inquiry the MOL rep demanded to know what was being done to prevent a recurrence.

His reply "The part was made in China and approved by Canada. What are you doing to prevent a recurrence?"

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