ISPs issued with site blocking court order

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The three primary ISP's have been successful in obtaining a court order to block certain web sites that provide streaming content. While I do not condone piracy, I have to question the order vis-a-vis net neutrality and net freedom. Today it is the site that streams channels for a minimum fee, tomorrow it will be something more pervasive, could even be GTAM!
What do you citizens and people of the common jury think?
(I am not a lawyer, nor do I have any connection with the ISPs or any streaming service)
Lets hear it!

"four wheels good, two wheels better"
 
Robbers, Bell-end and who would the last one be?

They can all bugger off anyway. I enjoy telling the Bell salespeople that I’ll take their service for 3 years free, no bandwidth limit if I can cancel after 3 y.
 
I am interested in how this will be implemented in practice. If you were connected to a VPN, i assume that connection (vpn server to internet) would not run through a conventional ISP and there would be no block? Seems trivially easy to bypass.

From a moral/ethical perspective, paying a dodgy android box company a monthly fee for easy access to cable/network channels seems like a
crap idea. IMO it's one think to consume content that you haven't paid for, it's something different to be reselling that content for profit. In the first scenario, the "cost" to the cable company is zero for most of these views as many people were not ever going to pay the crazy monthly rates or sit through all the commercials. The second scenario is much more likely to cost subscribers as people obviously are happy with cable content and how it is presented, they just want to pay an order of magnitude less for it.
 
I'm actually surprised the 'net is still as open as it is
I figured a decade ago the content makers/rights holders would have lobbied gov
to the point that anything of quality would be pay per view by now
in Canada it's even more surprising as the rights holders are also ISP's

I was with Teksavvy a long time ago, DSL through a Bell line
and they starting throttling P2P even with a VPN running
had something called deep packet inspection running
felt like I needed a shower after TS told me about that

maybe VPN's have gotten better?
Nord seems to be pretty snoop-proof
 
J_F said:
I'm actually surprised the 'net is still as open as it is
I figured a decade ago the content makers/rights holders would have lobbied gov
to the point that anything of quality would be pay per view by now
in Canada it's even more surprising as the rights holders are also ISP's

I was with Teksavvy a long time ago, DSL through a Bell line
and they starting throttling P2P even with a VPN running
had something called deep packet inspection running
felt like I needed a shower after TS told me about that

maybe VPN's have gotten better?
Nord seems to be pretty snoop-proof
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Deep packet inspection appears to be the norm now, try streaming two Youtube sessions from two different laptops/tablets and the throttling becomes evident. Though, the sales ppl of the two major providers swear that it is only the resellers that "throttle".
Not sure how effective deep packet inspection will be if a flash router is used inbetween the ISP router and home network.
Recently Nord had an outage as their outsoured data center was hacked or went down.
I have heard that the blocking is already in effect for the IPs of Gold TV and such like. Apparently when the Android box is powered up, the court notice comes up instead of the TV menu.
With the duopoly control, there is a limit to the choice of ISP service, TV programming and cost.


"four wheels good, two wheels better"
 
oops, bad spelling - outsoured should be "outsourced"... tho' in a manner of speaking the service from "outsourced" mostly leaves me "sour".
:-)

"four wheels good, two wheels better"
 
What does this open the door to? Well, simply put, the big provider cartel will now block websites they consider persona non grata. You can expect those sites to reappear *if* they pay a fee and abide by certain rules as $et out by the provider. Basically, they've found a new way to charge access to the internet. They've got the buyers, and they just nailed the sellers. In the coming months expect streaming sites to disappear. Torrent sites to disappear. Then "distasteful" websites to disappear, only to reappear after paying the fees, which will then begin to rise.

Welcome to the corporatization of the free internet, no longer free. This all started 20yrs ago when the CRTC allowed providers to listen in on your phone line data (essentially wiretapping your phone/cable lines) which used to be a criminal offence. Funny how things quickly change when big money corporations get involved. There is now nothing you say on your phone, or do online that is not being listened to and recorded. And...it was all done in the name of security. Well, as Benjamin Franklin, inventor of the phone said: "Those who would give up their freedom for a bit of security deserve not to have that freedom." There's no going back now. Pandora's box is open and privacy is gone.
 
Roadghost said:
What does this open the door to? Well, simply put, the big provider cartel will now block websites they consider persona non grata. You can expect those sites to reappear *if* they pay a fee and abide by certain rules as $et out by the provider. Basically, they've found a new way to charge access to the internet. They've got the buyers, and they just nailed the sellers. In the coming months expect streaming sites to disappear. Torrent sites to disappear. Then "distasteful" websites to disappear, only to reappear after paying the fees, which will then begin to rise.

Welcome to the corporatization of the free internet, no longer free. This all started 20yrs ago when the CRTC allowed providers to listen in on your phone line data (essentially wiretapping your phone/cable lines) which used to be a criminal offence. Funny how things quickly change when big money corporations get involved. There is now nothing you say on your phone, or do online that is not being listened to and recorded. And...it was all done in the name of security. Well, as Benjamin Franklin, inventor of the phone said: "Those who would give up their freedom for a bit of security deserve not to have that freedom." There's no going back now. Pandora's box is open and privacy is gone.
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+1
very well summarized !
(welcome to the future in the present, of "big brother")

"four wheels good, two wheels better"
 
Roadghost said:
What does this open the door to? Well, simply put, the big provider cartel will now block websites they consider persona non grata. You can expect those sites to reappear *if* they pay a fee and abide by certain rules as $et out by the provider. Basically, they've found a new way to charge access to the internet. They've got the buyers, and they just nailed the sellers. In the coming months expect streaming sites to disappear. Torrent sites to disappear. Then "distasteful" websites to disappear, only to reappear after paying the fees, which will then begin to rise.

Welcome to the corporatization of the free internet, no longer free. This all started 20yrs ago when the CRTC allowed providers to listen in on your phone line data (essentially wiretapping your phone/cable lines) which used to be a criminal offence. Funny how things quickly change when big money corporations get involved. There is now nothing you say on your phone, or do online that is not being listened to and recorded. And...it was all done in the name of security. Well, as Benjamin Franklin, inventor of the phone said: "Those who would give up their freedom for a bit of security deserve not to have that freedom." There's no going back now. Pandora's box is open and privacy is gone.
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The CRTC has ordered Canadian ISPs to block ONE, SINGULAR website, goldtv.biz, that was CLEARLY breaking Canadian law.
Hardly the end to the "free" internet.
ISPs as a whole, are VERY MUCH against this order... not for any noble cause like "free" internet, but because it is work that they would rather not do.
The CRTC does NOT allow ISPs to listen in to your phone calls, or read your emails. DOES NOT HAPPEN, FULL STOP.
And Ben Franklin did not invent the telephone(nor did Alexander Graham Bell).

... you may want to loosen that tin foil hat.
 
Typical Ottawa near impossible to implement properly and stupidly easy to circumvent.
more wack-a -mole LOL
Paying lip service to ma bell no doubt
 
Interesting read on the legal basis for this ruling

www.mccarthy.ca

Site blocking orders come to Canada: GoldTV.biz

In an important decision released Friday, the Federal Court of Canada issued the first Canadian site blocking order against sites that predominantly facilitate copyright
www.mccarthy.ca www.mccarthy.ca
 
bitzz said:
The CRTC has ordered Canadian ISPs to block ONE, SINGULAR website, goldtv.biz, that was CLEARLY breaking Canadian law.
Hardly the end to the "free" internet.
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So, this is all over the news for nothing? Nothing to see here? Move along? Nonsense. It's a precedent on a website providing illegal content. You're dreaming if you think this isn't just the beginning.

ISPs as a whole, are VERY MUCH against this order... not for any noble cause like "free" internet, but because it is work that they would rather not do.
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That is, unless there's money in it for them. Since they first made that "it's too expensive to enforce the law" argument they've realized they can start their own streaming sites similar to Netflix. There's Rogers on Demand et al. now. But who's buying if you can get it for free? Suddenly it's a lot less expensive to enforce the law, and they just won the precedent to do it. You can be damn sure they didn't fight that case for nothing.


The CRTC does NOT allow ISPs to listen in to your phone calls, or read your emails. DOES NOT HAPPEN, FULL STOP.
And Ben Franklin did not invent the telephone(nor did Alexander Graham Bell).
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As soon as it became legal for them to measure your data, they became aware of everything you are doing. So when you email or text someone on the net that you need a new car, you can wonder how all of a sudden you're getting junk mail on car sales. And you're right, I'm wrong about Franklin, got him confused with electricity. He still said it, and he was right. [/quote]
 
Gold TV was issued a cease and desist order by the courts that they promptly ignored leading to this a negative outcome for everyone except the TV providers and their lawyers.
Long story short .
 
NSA records everything we do online and with your phone
and you can be damn sure CSIS has access the the data

the ads targeted to your history come from a few sources
google, apple, facebook and cookies

maybe I'm naive but I don't think ISP's are selling our data
yet
 
J_F said:
maybe I'm naive but I don't think ISP's are selling our data
yet
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They sell DNS data, they will basically know any site "xyz" user visits etc.
 
Just a note Nord VPN got hacked in Oct, but there are other VPN providers worth considering.
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