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Is personal responsibility a completely dead concept in Canaderp?

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Tragically, an 18 yo drowned in the Muskoka river on the weekend. His family says he was not a good swimmer. They were staying at Santa's Village. A life ring was on the dock and life jackets were available upon request. The family says Santa's Village should have posted a sign on the dock telling them of the dangers of the water. wtf. It's water. If you can't swim, it's bleeping dangerous. Everything about it is dangerous and unforgiving.

If you can't swim, either stay out of the water or wear something that can keep you up. If you can't swim, you can't go in a boat or use an inflatable toy/boat without wearing something that keeps you up. How many people this year floated out to water above their head, fell off and died? At least one in Wasaga plus a few more IIRC.

Police had to rescue three ladies that rented a canoe near Sibbald Point and decided to go canoeing for the first time without life jackets or the ability to swim and in a decent off-shore breeze. They panicked when they couldn't get back to shore. Luckily one was only half-panicked so she was able to call 911 to get them rescued (pretty funny call "we are in the water and can't swim", "which water, where are you?").
 
Water is different if there's a sign. Don't you get it?

Gotta say most provincial parks have those signs up so that covers their @sses.

It's very sad that something so avoidable happened.
 
We have this on plastic bags. This tells us exactly where we are heading.
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Horrible for the family but I can only assume they’re looking at someone to blame besides themselves.

I’m a firm believer of teaching children to swim and feel it should be 100% mandatory as part of the curriculum. Give them a fighting chance.

As for the canoeists….idiots. Nothing else to say there.

Ive taken a kayak out once having no clue WTF I was doing. Made it 20ft from shore, turned around and left it saying ‘I have no clue how to use that thing’.
 
This has always been a thing... except maybe less of it in the last 15 months because of reasons.

There is no way those girls rented a canoe without getting lifejackets with it.
 
Hack said:
In before someone posts the meme...
"The owners manual used to tell you how to adjust the valves...
Now it tells you not to drink the contents of the battery".
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True that but even in the old days they had a warning in the owners manual not to eat the seat. JS.
 
I agree with pretty well everything said in the original post.

I do have one question though. I haven't been on or in the Muskoka river in probably 15 years, does it not have a pretty strong current? I can see someone getting into trouble relatively quickly if my memory is right and it does. A warning sign would probably be a good thing in that case.
 
blackcamaro said:
I agree with pretty well everything said in the original post.

I do have one question though. I haven't been on or in the Muskoka river in probably 15 years, does it not have a pretty strong current? I can see someone getting into trouble relatively quickly if my memory is right and it does. A warning sign would probably be a good thing in that case.
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I haven't been there either. I think there is some current as the water is murky. Again, it's hard to list all of the dangers that may be encountered (especially when many of them are clearly visible). If you can't swim, you can't go into open water without something on to keep you up. Even a pool is dangerous but you are never more than 30' from safety and you have lots of visibility so you can see which way you need to go.
 
jc100 said:
that sign just says “no British Tory politician perverts“ to me.
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Or "come home with that square bleach hair doo again and I'm choking the life out of you!"
 
A lot of people don't take the danger of water very seriously.
Got in argument with the wife while canoeing with the kids at Pinery Provincial Park.
I didn't like being close to the shore with trees over heading in the water. Worried about being tipped over and being pinned under.

If you have kids, signed them up for swim class asap. My older one has a life guard certificate and the younger one is a few classes from getting hers.
 
GreyGhost said:
Tragically, an 18 yo drowned in the Muskoka river on the weekend. His family says he was not a good swimmer. They were staying at Santa's Village. A life ring was on the dock and life jackets were available upon request. The family says Santa's Village should have posted a sign on the dock telling them of the dangers of the water. wtf. It's water. If you can't swim, it's bleeping dangerous. Everything about it is dangerous and unforgiving.

If you can't swim, either stay out of the water or wear something that can keep you up. If you can't swim, you can't go in a boat or use an inflatable toy/boat without wearing something that keeps you up. How many people this year floated out to water above their head, fell off and died? At least one in Wasaga plus a few more IIRC.

Police had to rescue three ladies that rented a canoe near Sibbald Point and decided to go canoeing for the first time without life jackets or the ability to swim and in a decent off-shore breeze. They panicked when they couldn't get back to shore. Luckily one was only half-panicked so she was able to call 911 to get them rescued (pretty funny call "we are in the water and can't swim", "which water, where are you?").
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Beaverton a generation ago: A kid slipped out of bed and went tobogganing at night. Ended up drowning in the river. Parents wanted the river fenced.

Two teenagers went canoeing on Simcoe w/o life jackets and there were whitecaps. They didn't make it.

My M-I-L suggested my 4 YO daughter "Go play in the water" with waves pounding the beach. Fortunately I overheard and understood undertow.

I had a small cruiser with an I/O and took some kin out for a tour to Orillia docks. Returning after a walk downtown one cousin immediately untied the bow line and jumped aboard. Before I could say anything windage blew the bow eight feet away from the dock and we were about to smash into the next boat. I had two seconds to start the engine to power out of the situation. NO BILGE BLOWER TIME. This is what causes boat explosions. Fortunately I kept my bilge clean enough to eat off of. She was used to a 14 foot aluminum.

A friend's father, Pops, was a good water-skier but was pressured into letting an "I know how" type to drive the boat. He overused the throttle but pops hung on. Hot shot took the boat way too fast and when Pops signaled to cut speed the moron dropped too much too fast, Pops passed the slack rope and it wrapped around his leg. Genius saw that he cut back too much and slammed it on again with the rope around Pops' leg. Pops wasn't the same after.

Tea Lake IIRC, fifty years ago the final event in the association regatta was a water-skier race. Yup. Boats towing water-skiers around the course, cutting the corners. Fifty years ago. Stupidity isn't a recent trend.

Sometimes I wonder if water kills more people than alcohol.

The list is endless.
 
justride said:
I didn't like being close to the shore with trees over heading in the water. Worried about being tipped over and being pinned under.
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That's partly why we sold the sailboat. Kids could have gone in lifejackets but there is a decent chance you get caught under the sail. Until they are mature and capable enough to self-rescue and get to air, they don't get to go on a boat that is likely to tip. It was going to be quite a few years before they could do that (it is still at least a few years off).
 
justride said:
A lot of people don't take the danger of water very seriously.
Got in argument with the wife while canoeing with the kids at Pinery Provincial Park.
I didn't like being close to the shore with trees over heading in the water. Worried about being tipped over and being pinned under.

If you have kids, signed them up for swim class asap. My older one has a life guard certificate and the younger one is a few classes from getting hers.
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IMO if it was a river you were especially right. It's cool to lurk in the trees but the sweepers can be deadly.
 
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