-Maverick-
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This is very sad....the guy posting it is doing a huge service posting this. I have an African Grey Congo myself.
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-Maverick-
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He says he has CO detectors as well he changes his furnace filter every three months.
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Real information is surprisingly hard to find.
It looks like canaries don't have CO issues until well above the levels that CO alarms should sound at (alarm at 70ppm in one to four hours (faster at higher levels), canary doesn't start having issues until >200, serious issues ~>1000 ppm, bigger birds need higher levels for symptoms).
According to selfcleaningovens.com (I know, not the ideal source of information, but frig, there is not much else out there), "you’re also going to get Carbon Monoxide. (Incidentally, you’re also going to get small quantities of nitric and sulfuric acids ". They say you get more CO from using the gas stove than the self-clean cycle. I couldn't find a reputable source of information to either refute or support that statement.
So I'm still no closer to a cause. I hate when people scream "toxins" but have nothing to back up that statement. It sounds plausible that it was the oven, but I still would like to know what exactly was released that was so bad for the birds.
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The comments section, (which is huge) has multiple same accounts. They are also mentioning the Teflon / non-stick coating outgassing as the cause. I can't seem to get the URL to work tho which is suspicious. The guy is a wildlife photographer and looks legit.
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AllistonGT
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Sorry to hear this. Very sad. We had a Blue Fronted Amazon sometime back. I remember reading that a teflon coated pan forgotten and left on a burner would also have catastrophic results.
I believe it happened. It seems like bird people are aware of teflon toxicity. A self-cleaning oven should have no teflon in/on/near it. This should be a different cause. It likely was some gas emitted from the self-cleaning oven (we all know they smell like hell when it's happening), I was just hoping to find some science on what that gas could potentially be. The generic "toxin" crap gets spouted when people don't know what happened (and often when they have the cause wrong and are just kooks although I do not believe that is the case here).The comments section, (which is huge) has multiple same accounts. They are also mentioning the Teflon / non-stick coating outgassing as the cause. I can't seem to get the URL to work tho which is suspicious. The guy is a wildlife photographer and looks legit.
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Curt Peters
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The important takeaway from this incident and the comments is Holy Frick are birds ever fragile. If you have anything in the air (paint, scent, cleaner, etc), there is a good chance it is terrible for your bird.
That sounds plausible, but I could not find a reputable source that says there actually is teflon in ovens. Everything I found says there isnt. If a manufacturer put an expensive coating on their product, it is normally heavily advertised.I found this. Sounds true.
What Are the Dangers of a Self-Cleaning Oven?
Using the self-cleaning feature on your oven helps avoid the toxic fumes associated with...homeguides.sfgate.com
The Teflon coating inside the oven is safe when you bake and broil food items, but the oven heats to 600 degrees Fahrenheit or more during the cleaning cycle and can produce toxic Teflon fumes.
While not all animals may be affected by the fumes, animals that are more susceptible to Teflon toxicity could die even when placed in another area of your home. Birds are the most likely to succumb to the toxic fumes known as polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE) toxicosis, according to PetEducation.com. Birds’ respiratory tracts are designed to deliver high levels of oxygen to the flight muscles; these same highly efficient respiratory tracts deliver toxins quickly through birds’ bodies, making the fumes produced by self-cleaning ovens an automatic death sentence.
jbuenavides
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That is tragic we used to have a couple of Parakeets back home.
J_F
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that's what I'm seeing too
teflon appears to be thermally stable up to 500 deg F
even in a regular oven that won't work
self cleaning cycle can get to twice that
but sure seems to be a lot of evidence
that whatever those ovens gives off will kill pet birds
I think most ovens are ceramic coated. I've spent a considerable portion of my career handling noxious chemicals, some of them very similar to nerve agents. I have a pretty good nose for things (chemist self preservation and past experience of poisoning with ozone and thiols) and self cleaning ovens always set my spidey senses tingling. I hardly use the function in my oven anymore as whatever is offgassed seems to be a bit of a lachrymator (makes eyes water, gets you in back of throat) and smells extremely bad for you...if that makes sense.
Teflon is a well known bird carcinogen when overheated. We used to have a Cockatoo and when we got him we switched entirely to cast iron for this very reason.
Trials
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Or your aviary needs an upgrade.
... slightly off topic but I met this lady that had her entire house designed around Owls, she installed wrought iron doors between the rooms so they could travel between rooms, she built nest tunnels into the walls and had a flight cage off the back of the house, was amazing, possibly somebody else on here remembers her.
... slightly off topic but I met this lady that had her entire house designed around Owls, she installed wrought iron doors between the rooms so they could travel between rooms, she built nest tunnels into the walls and had a flight cage off the back of the house, was amazing, possibly somebody else on here remembers her.
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