HTA 136 1.a.

[EC2010]

Disobey Stop Sign, Stop Wrong place. GTA - downtown.

Officer told my friend that even though he stopped, he didn't stop before the white line. He wrote the ticket and said there's no hard feelings if he decides to fight the ticket, and that they are doing a blitz at the intersection for pedestrians had been complaining about people rolling through the right turn without stopping. Looked up the charge and it carries 3 points and $110 fine.

Also on back of ticket, the options seemed to have changed: option 1 - Plea of Guilty, option 2 - Early Resolution - Meet with Prosecutor (by choosing this option you do not forego the right to a trail), and option 3 - Trial Option - do not mail, have to show up in the office with ticket to file a notice of intention to appear in court.

Thoughts?

 

[awyala]

Pick option 3. The cop won't show, he virtually gave you the ol' "wink wink nudge nudge". He will be handing out a plethora of those tickets all day at the behest of some wealthy complacent locals and will not likely be able to go to court for anyone who challenges them. He will also likely have next to no proof or sufficient notes to fight it in court, so ask for disclosure, and it will likely turn him off from showing up even if you misread the "go to trial and I won't show" code he gave out.

 

[coyo]

You think that he can just "not show" without repercussion on his end? And that he'll voluntarily take bad notes and look bad in court by not doing his job properly? Do you do this where you work?

He's doing what he's told and it sounds like he's not happy with it... I wouldn't confuse that with him setting himself up to look bad in order to give your friend a break.

OP: Request disclosure and decide once you get it.

Pick option 3. The cop won't show, he virtually gave you the ol' "wink wink nudge nudge". He will be handing out a plethora of those tickets all day at the behest of some wealthy complacent locals and will not likely be able to go to court for anyone who challenges them. He will also likely have next to no proof or sufficient notes to fight it in court, so ask for disclosure, and it will likely turn him off from showing up even if you misread the "go to trial and I won't show" code he gave out.

 

[awyala]

You think that he can just "not show" without repercussion on his end? And that he'll voluntarily take bad notes and look bad in court by not doing his job properly? Do you do this where you work?

He's doing what he's told and it sounds like he's not happy with it... I wouldn't confuse that with him setting himself up to look bad in order to give your friend a break.

OP: Request disclosure and decide once you get it.

Sit in court some time and see how bad some disclosure is, or how many cops are no-shows.

 

[coyo]

Sit in court some time and see how bad some disclosure is, or how many cops are no-shows.

Sure, but just as with all jobs, there are bad employees that don't do their work well and in the case of no-shows, they sometimes can't come due to other calls. You're suggesting that this guy is doing it on purpose for a stranger's benefit. You'd have to be an idiot to do that, which this cop may be but I wouldn't bank on it.

 

[Macs]

You think that he can just "not show" without repercussion on his end? And that he'll voluntarily take bad notes and look bad in court by not doing his job properly? Do you do this where you work?

He's doing what he's told and it sounds like he's not happy with it... I wouldn't confuse that with him setting himself up to look bad in order to give your friend a break.

OP: Request disclosure and decide once you get it.

First and foremost, of course get disclosure OP.

As for notes, it's well documented that during ticket blitzes officers have been known to take crappy or no notes for every ticket they hand out.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Disobey Stop Sign, Stop Wrong place. GTA - downtown.

Officer told my friend that even though he stopped, he didn't stop before the white line. He wrote the ticket and said there's no hard feelings if he decides to fight the ticket, and that they are doing a blitz at the intersection for pedestrians had been complaining about people rolling through the right turn without stopping. Looked up the charge and it carries 3 points and $110 fine.

Also on back of ticket, the options seemed to have changed: option 1 - Plea of Guilty, option 2 - Early Resolution - Meet with Prosecutor (by choosing this option you do not forego the right to a trail), and option 3 - Trial Option - do not mail, have to show up in the office with ticket to file a notice of intention to appear in court.

Thoughts?

If your friend didn't stop prior to the line, before proceeding past it, then the charge is valid. You must stop before the line, where one. You may then proceed forward if, for example, you must move forward in order to see around an obstacle before actually making the turn. If the officer wasn't in a position where he could see the line.....

Pick the meet with prosecutor option. If no good resolution can be found you then proceed to trial anyway.

 

[iFly55]

i highly doubt they would setup an enforcement point where they can't see the white line and the wheels/rims coming to a stop

 

[EC2010]

Thanks for your replies to this thread. I am assuming that should my friend doesn't get an early resolution that he desires, he can always proceed to trial and/or hire a paralegal to respresent. If the prosecutor offers a deal with only fines and no points, that still counts as a conviction on record, right? I think there's already a speeding ticket (15+) on record since 2011, so I guess this will affect the insurance rate. I think he's going to order disclosure now and make a decision.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

i highly doubt they would setup an enforcement point where they can't see the white line and the wheels/rims coming to a stop

It has happened before and targeted enforcement doesn't necessarily imply a 'fishing hole.'

 

[OpenGambit]

i highly doubt they would setup an enforcement point where they can't see the white line and the wheels/rims coming to a stop

I have beaten a ticket like this before (it involved a crosswalk). I successfully proved that the cop wasn't in a position to actually see the line because he was ahead of it, as opposed to beside it.

The rest of the guys in the courtroom were pretty happy, cop not so much. (was funny the next time the same cop pulled me over.. about a year later).

 

[kiwi]

i highly doubt they would setup an enforcement point where they can't see the white line and the wheels/rims coming to a stop

Don't be surprised. People on here have reported otherwise.

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[EC2010]

ok I'll get my friend to revisit the location and assess the points of view as well. good info. thanks.

 

[MarcosSantiago]

i highly doubt they would setup an enforcement point where they can't see the white line and the wheels/rims coming to a stop

Exactly
The problem with these operations is that they are planned!!! LoL
The officers obviously select a location where they can observe without being seen... Not always, but most times, the officer will have an advantage over the driver.