How do you know you're out of tire WITHOUT crashing?

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This sounds like a really stupid question but...

I'm starting to wonder if it is possible to "run out of tire" during turns. I know on Ninja 250's you'll scrape the pegs before falling over, but what about on SS bikes where the clearance is much higher? Should I just get knee pucks and use my knees as a warning? lol
 
Paul1000RR said:
you start to lose grip and then bammmmm
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I don't want to bammmmm. I like my motorcycle.

On a serious note, how would you save it? Steady the throttle and straighten a bit? Or slow roll off throttle and straighten?
 
more throttle. Look where you wanna go, and ride it there.
 
nfq said:
more throttle. Look where you wanna go, and ride it there.
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Assuming a constant roll on during a turn, if the rear tire goes because of lack of traction, wouldn't you crash if you applied more throttle? (the same as asking for more traction).
 
Go to track school, get knee pucks.
 
油井緋色;2059413 said:
I don't want to bammmmm. I like my motorcycle.

On a serious note, how would you save it? Steady the throttle and straighten a bit? Or slow roll off throttle and straighten?
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Thats a million dollar question right there. There is too many variables to say what to do exactly, but common sense would point you in the direction of straighten it back up and dont come off the throttle hard, if at all.

Your natural reaction however in a situation like this would be panic and to chop the throttle, you chop the throttle tires might regain grip and you highside or you might be ok. Also you chop the throttle and you transfer the weight to the front tire..now you have a new set of problems lol and the bike wants to tip over more.

Watch or read Twist of the wrist 2
 
igormon said:
Learning cornering on an SS are we?
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One of my biggest mistakes was not pushing my GS500F enough when I had it. I didn't really realize how fun cornering was until I got my GSXR.
 
Paul1000RR said:
Thats a million dollar question right there. There is too many variables to say what to do exactly, but common sense would point you in the direction of straighten it back up and dont come off the throttle hard, if at all.

Your natural reaction however in a situation like this would be panic and to chop the throttle, you chop the throttle tires might regain grip and you highside or you might be ok. Also you chop the throttle and you transfer the weight to the front tire..now you have a new set of problems lol and the bike wants to tip over more.

Watch or read Twist of the wrist 2
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I've done both more than once, feels like I pick up something new every time I read it.

Some of the things I can't apply yet because I haven't gone to track school yet (saving up for it). I completely understand what you're saying and would probably chop the throttle.

....well at least now I know what would happen if I ran out of tire lol thanks!
 
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油井緋色;2059421 said:
Assuming a constant roll on during a turn, if the rear tire goes because of lack of traction, wouldn't you crash if you applied more throttle? (the same as asking for more traction).
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Only one way to find out.

Grab your bike and a suit, head to nearest empty parking lot.
You'll quickly realize that just because you're sliding doesn't mean its the end of you
 
It's already been pointed out ... the only way to find the limits and what happens nearing the limit is to try it out, and that involves taking a track or off-road school of some sort. To a point, understanding the limits could involve going beyond them on occasion ... Early in my roadracing career, I was crashing every other weekend.

Dirt riders are pretty familiar with what happens when they lose grip, because riding in low-grip conditions is part of dirt riding. A lot of dirt riders make a good transition to pavement riding because they already know what happens when there is a loss of grip and how it feels just before that ... example: Nicky Hayden. Dirt and supermoto style bikes are pretty much designed to lose grip at the rear first. Bikes optimized for pavement riding ... not so much. I have had the nasty feeling of the front going away into a corner and managed to save it.

If your supersports bike is properly set up, you will not run off the edge of the tire before you either run out of cornering clearance or grip. My roadrace FZR400 with Bridgestone slicks has chicken strips front and rear. The tire profile and contact patches are designed for a 250 GP bike with Valentino Rossi riding it ... except that my bike isn't one of those, and I'm not him. I have yet to have the slightest bit of movement out of them. The bike in its current setup is far better than I am.
 
Before you do any of this please make sure you are properly protected as best as you can afford e.g. full suit, full gloves, proper boots, back protector, chest protector, possible neck protector. If and when you crash it can mean getting up with just a scratch or not getting up.
 
Brian P said:
That appears to be a dirt-oriented off-road course.

The more different types of bikes you ride, the more you learn ... even if it's not a type of bike you usually use, you can still learn something ... ! ! !
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Dirt translates pretty well if you ride in sand. You'll never worry about fishtails again, lol.

In my opinion learning how to ride dirt trails with skill and attention will translate to the street better than track school, but if you insist on pushing it on the street learning both is nothing but a plus
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