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Honda CB 1978 - Stalling and Rough Idleing

ChrisMartucci

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I have a 1978 Honda CB 400 Twin, I've been having trouble with the engine lately. I'm thinking it has something to do with the air/fuel mixture, like their might be a air leak in my engine.
If I have the clutch out while driving its fine, but as soon as I pull it in and idle, it tends to stall.
Please let me know if you can help figure out how I can fix this, or what it could be.

:) Thanks Chris
 
It sounds like you have a clogged jet in your carbs. I would try running a fuel system cleaner through it. Make sure you buy one for carbureted engines. Just poor the appropriate amount in your gas tank and run it well. If you don't see an improvement, then you might want to consider removing the carbs and cleaning them yourself.
 
Clogged jets - or air leaks?
The net result is the same.
It might sound like he has clogged jets, but the reality is that all the rubber pieces on a 30+ year old bike are going to be rotten.
All dried out, broken, cracked & crumbling... everything rubber, possibly plastic too.
Specifically check the carburetor mounts holding the carbs on the motor, and also the mounts behind the carbs connecting them to the airbox.
You really need to take the carbs off to do this correctly, but what you often find is giant cracks in the rubber manifolds.
These cannot be seen until the rubber is bent/stretched/deformed... then it's like "hey lookit that - that's trashed".
Sometimes these old parts will even disintegrate into crumbles while trying to remove them!
Any tiniest air leak between the carb and the motor will sabotage the carbs venturi effect (the speeding-up of the mixture, generating low pressure above the needle jet, and also of course the idle circuit).
So in this scenario it's much more likely air is getting in than fuel is being blocked - but it could easily be both.
You should (as mentioned) rebuild the carbs anyway, as they are full of rubber and plastic pieces, and your floats probably don't anymore.
Quick fix - hose all rubber manifold parts down with armor all, and hose down carbs with WD40.
Tighten up all rubber manifold clamps (if they're not siezed solid).
Check and re-tension all carb fittings, ie. the screw-top of old carbs where the cable goes into the carb and connects to the slide.
Try and find any potential air leaks and put them out of business!
Your carbs also may or may not have a thin rubber accelerator-pump diaphragm, which is probably no longer intact & pumping.
Old bikes are great! You just have to replace all the original rubber parts on them...
 
Clogged jets - or air leaks?
The net result is the same.
It might sound like he has clogged jets, but the reality is that all the rubber pieces on a 30+ year old bike are going to be rotten.
All dried out, broken, cracked & crumbling... everything rubber, possibly plastic too.
Specifically check the carburetor mounts holding the carbs on the motor, and also the mounts behind the carbs connecting them to the airbox.
You really need to take the carbs off to do this correctly, but what you often find is giant cracks in the rubber manifolds.
These cannot be seen until the rubber is bent/stretched/deformed... then it's like "hey lookit that - that's trashed".
Sometimes these old parts will even disintegrate into crumbles while trying to remove them!
Any tiniest air leak between the carb and the motor will sabotage the carbs venturi effect (the speeding-up of the mixture, generating low pressure above the needle jet, and also of course the idle circuit).
So in this scenario it's much more likely air is getting in than fuel is being blocked - but it could easily be both.
You should (as mentioned) rebuild the carbs anyway, as they are full of rubber and plastic pieces, and your floats probably don't anymore.
Quick fix - hose all rubber manifold parts down with armor all, and hose down carbs with WD40.
Tighten up all rubber manifold clamps (if they're not siezed solid).
Check and re-tension all carb fittings, ie. the screw-top of old carbs where the cable goes into the carb and connects to the slide.
Try and find any potential air leaks and put them out of business!
Your carbs also may or may not have a thin rubber accelerator-pump diaphragm, which is probably no longer intact & pumping.
Old bikes are great! You just have to replace all the original rubber parts on them...
Good advice. I have done the same on my 86 VFR.
 
thank you all. It turned out to be the ladder of the two. I had a mechanic look at it and do some temporary fixes.
I have yet to take apart the carbs as I'm very new to the bike world. Any one recommend a good place to learn how to do this?
 
ask your buddy 'little ricky'!

or, youtube

thank you all. It turned out to be the ladder of the two. I had a mechanic look at it and do some temporary fixes.
I have yet to take apart the carbs as I'm very new to the bike world. Any one recommend a good place to learn how to do this?
 

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