H-D getting greedy ?

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Analyst on Harley-Davidson’s dealer margin reduction​

By: Dave McMahon March 18, 2022
In a research note titled “Hogging More for Itself” provided to Powersports Business, BMO Capital Markets analyst Gerrick Johnson provides insight on Harley-Davidson’s “decision to reduce dealer margin, keeping more for itself on each bike sold.”
Here’s how BMO sees it:
“We are increasing our ASP, gross margin, and EPS estimates for Harley-Davidson (HOG) owing to HOG's decision to reduce dealer margin, keeping more for itself on each bike sold. While demand for Harley-Davidson motorcycles remains strong, we are reducing our shipping and retail sales estimates owing to slower than anticipated deliveries to dealers. While flow is said to have improved, we doubt it's to the level we had originally expected. The net result though, is a better bottom line and an increase in EPS.
Key Points:
“We are encouraged by strong consumer demand for Harley-Davidson motorcycles. The reaction to new models like Sportser S, Pan America, ST Sport Touring, and CVOs has been particularly strong. So strong that HOG has already passed through a $500 increase on several MY22 sportser models. These areas of outperformance illustrate the Harley consumer's desire for new, unique, and different. Recent spikes in gas prices have also increased interest in motorcycles. Retailers are still frustrated, though, by the slow pace of deliveries, and retail sales continue to be constrained by availability.
“Given strong demand, some dealers have been able to charge above MSRP, capturing more margin. To keep more of that for itself, dealers tell us that HOG has reduced dealer margin to 18% per bike from 20%. For HOG, the net result is ~2.5% increase in revenue per bike, which falls right to the bottom line.
“But for dealers it's a -10% gross profit hit. HOG is taking additional actions to pass cost to dealers, like increasing the fee on its point-of-sale system and increasing accessories rewards targets. While benefiting HOG's bottom line, these moves have heightened antagonism between dealers and the motor company.
“In our 2022 model we are reducing our shipment estimate to 206,900 units (+10% y/y) from 213,250 (+13%), all of the reduction coming in 1H. We are increasing our ASP estimate to $19,239 (+4%) from $18,861 (+2%). The net is a slight reduction in motorcycle revenue growth to +15% from +16%.
“But we are increasing our gross margin assumption to 31.3% from 30.4%, resulting in a slight increase to our 2022 EPS estimate to $4.70 (+12%) from $4.60, with leverage to the upside should delivery pace pick up.
“We are lowering our worldwide retail sales estimate to +3% from +7% owing to supply constraints.”
 
That's what happens when bean counters run power sports businesses. Squeeze everything you can out of it then sell off the pieces and start again with another brand that used to be good. On smaller items, watching brands appear at costco let's you know who's dying. Brands that were once expensive and good (for instance Karbon) show up at costco at a much lower price point and often only survive a few years after. Somebody squeezed a ton of short term money out of the name and then moved on.
 
^this applies to like every dealer in 2022 tho
 
If they do this , they may well survive. They can pretend its all for the 'people , our people' , but at the end of the day its a business and needs to be run like one.
Passion projects are short lived.
 
I look at it this way -- there are 2 types of HOG owners - those who ride HOG's motorcycles, and those who own HOG's shares.

I'm the latter, I see this as encouraging news.
 
Got this yesterday in my email
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If you were shopping for motorcycles late last year, the dealer would have warned you in person as well.

It was a little bit of a sales tactic, "Put money down on a 2022 model for 2021 prices", but with inventory the way it is, they didn't need to push very hard to secure orders.

Also, freight and PDI went up for certain dealerships as well, and if you put a deposit down before the prices got hiked, you got the old pricing. I saved almost $1K by getting in before the increases on the MSRP + freight + PDI + taxes.
 
If they do this , they may well survive. They can pretend its all for the 'people , our people' , but at the end of the day its a business and needs to be run like one.
Passion projects are short lived.
A privately held company can be nice to everyone but the minute it goes public the only thing that keeps it floating is ROI. The investor may hate motorcycles but as long as he sees decent dividends or share price increases they're OK with them.

In all things, the first sign of death is to stop growing.

They mention gas prices as an incentive but most motorcycles are not fuel efficient. That is worse in Canada with a six month year and motorcycle ignorant road sharers.

However if you want a fun / performance vehice a bike is cheaper to buy and fuel than most cages. As far as a practical vehicle for Uncle Frumpy to get to work, an econo box is better.

I remember trying to convince my mother how practical a bike was. It didn't work.
 
Frt , is going to be a killer , containers from Asia are being quoted at 18-20k and more, Europe into port of NJ at 10-12k , and then the last mile trucking. Yikes.

You would think if there was ever an opportunity for a domestic producer to close some of the gap this could be it.
 
You would think if there was ever an opportunity for a domestic producer to close some of the gap this could be it.
they're too busy with real estate

thats where all the investment is these days
 
Frt , is going to be a killer , containers from Asia are being quoted at 18-20k and more, Europe into port of NJ at 10-12k , and then the last mile trucking. Yikes.

You would think if there was ever an opportunity for a domestic producer to close some of the gap this could be it.
Domestic ASSEMBLY. So many parts from overseas that there's little to be saved.

Sadly.
 
Frt , is going to be a killer , containers from Asia are being quoted at 18-20k and more, Europe into port of NJ at 10-12k , and then the last mile trucking. Yikes.

You would think if there was ever an opportunity for a domestic producer to close some of the gap this could be it.
Containers out of China are running 25-30K right now. Just brought 40 and 20 cans from Ningbo to Prince Rupert -- $44USD. Europe isn't as bad, Genoa to Montreal $7K, Hamburg to Montreal, $8K.

You can book at $20K with no confirmed departure date -- works if you don't need your stuff till December.

LTL is nuts too. Normally 3 days from California to Toronto, right now it's running 14-21 days.
 
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