Getting that first bike

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Learning to ride and getting that first bike are big things yet many people take it very lightly and take a lot of very bad advice! What should you look for, what direction should you take and what is best for you? What is right for someone else may not be right for you so here are a few tips to help you make that decision.

First LEARN TO RIDE before getting your first bike. It might change your decision to ride or it might change the type of bike you think you want. Many times I get students (Both Men and Women) who have never been on a bike and have a 1100 or bigger bike waiting in the garage for them for when they complete the Class. NOT GOOD! Many of them cannot handle the 250 we train on and expect to move right to the 1100cc 700lb bike after a two day class. This is only a recipe for disaster!

Don't take bad advice from friends! You often hear, you will outgrow that bike after a year so just get a bigger one to start with. NO! If you follow this thinking I should just get my grandaughter a 26" 21 speed mountain bike, after all she will outgrow the 12" one with training wheels right? Get a bike that fits you, and one that is light and easy to ride! Used is always a good bet. After you learn to ride it well and are ready to move to a larger bike you can always resell it and get you money out of it. Remember that Motorcycle Dealer is not there with your best interests in mind, they are there to sell motorcycles, If they can sell you a new one they will! If they can sell you a bigger one they will! Most of them do not care if you can even ride it. You might be surprised how many bikes get sold that the new owners cannot even ride. they get a friend to ride it home for them, truck it home etc. they buy bikes they cannot ride or buy a bike before they even know how to ride!

Hand me downs, while this can be good if it is a bike that fits you and you can handle, I have had women students come to class. Thier husband upgraded from his 1100cc bike to a 1800cc bike and is saving the 1100cc bike for his wife. She has never driven a bike and he thinks it will be a good bike for her. Maybe for a third bike after many years of riding but not a first bike! Use your head when getting that first bike and also get professional training!

Try to find a smaller bike (Depending on your physical size) if you are not really tall there are plenty of good bikes out there you can find used. Regardless of what you find for a bike, make sure it is one that fits you. Rember this is your first bike it does not have to last you a life time and may even get dropped (Even if just in the driveway) once or twice. You will stress a lot more if you are sitting on a new $10,000 bike and worring about dropping it instead of what you are suppossed to be doing to operate the bike properly.

You would be surprized that when it comes time to sell your bike you will find many other people also looking for that first easy to operate and ride bike to learn on etc. Take your time and find a bike that fits you! If you want recomendations you can always ask!

Get qualified training, Choose the right bike and keep the rubber side down! We look forward to seeing you out on the road!
 
Seeing as most new students don't get enough speed to efectivley counter steer what makes them think they are ready for they road after two days... Scary...The case of the 1000cc in the garage was the case for at least three students in my class last year...also happened to be the three worst riders.

If you can't stop in a school parking lot doing only 40/km...maybe you should practice on your kids dirt bike in your drive way before facing the road.

Then again they do keep emergency service personnel employed.....
 
Both of you guys give a great advice, but IMHO it all depends on the person - whether they will listen to you or not. Check out these threads:
http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?42129-Sportbikes-are-Not-beginner-Bikes
http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforu...Which-one-(Guide-to-choosing-your-first-ride)

Both of these threads are "stickies" on this beginner part of the forum. Just read how much opposition and hate people get for giving proper good advice to the new riders. For us, sports riders, you will get "I started on 600cc SS and I have no problems" all the time. The fact that those people are clueless what their bike can really do and "they are being gentle" with their bikes does not change anything for those people. I really hope at least some beginner people will listen to your advice though!
 
I really hope at least some beginner people will listen to your advice though!

I know I cannot change the world, but like you I hope that some people listen and learn from this.

I had been riding for almost 30 years prior to getting a "Sport" bike and doing my first track day. I took a 15 year old Kawasaki EX500 to the track for a track day. Felt really out of place in the pits, being the smallest bike, wondered if I was going to be a problem, if I should really be there etc. Once on the track!!! The Whole day I was passing and lapping riders on 600cc, 750cc and 1000cc, supersport I know it was not a race and I still had a lot in reserve on that little 500 as I never even touched a knee on the track all day. but no one passed me either!

It is a lot more fun to ride a Slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow!
 
Good post and solid advice.

But I'll echo ViperZ's sentiment that that kinda talk gets a lot of pushback around here. Lots of justification for their 600cc purchases as newbs, and lots of "respect the power" and whatnot. In the end of course it's up to the rider, and if they survive getting a larger & faster bike as their first purchase, all the power to them. But it gets on my nerves that they tend to drown out the reasonable advice given by people like yourself.

For the record, I've been through more than a handful of bikes in my riding career and I'll actually be "downgrading" this year to something like a Ninja 250. Bigger isn't always better, nor does it necessarily = more fun.
 
this is a great advice. and as a beginner i read some of the past forums and asked too about which bikes to start on and got good advice from some riders here and my instructor who helped me pick my first ride. im starting on a cbr125 and wont ride it or get it insured till im done with my m2 course in july :) safety first so we can live, learn and ride ;)

Learning to ride and getting that first bike are big things yet many people take it very lightly and take a lot of very bad advice! What should you look for, what direction should you take and what is best for you? What is right for someone else may not be right for you so here are a few tips to help you make that decision.

First LEARN TO RIDE before getting your first bike. It might change your decision to ride or it might change the type of bike you think you want. Many times I get students (Both Men and Women) who have never been on a bike and have a 1100 or bigger bike waiting in the garage for them for when they complete the Class. NOT GOOD! Many of them cannot handle the 250 we train on and expect to move right to the 1100cc 700lb bike after a two day class. This is only a recipe for disaster!

Don't take bad advice from friends! You often hear, you will outgrow that bike after a year so just get a bigger one to start with. NO! If you follow this thinking I should just get my grandaughter a 26" 21 speed mountain bike, after all she will outgrow the 12" one with training wheels right? Get a bike that fits you, and one that is light and easy to ride! Used is always a good bet. After you learn to ride it well and are ready to move to a larger bike you can always resell it and get you money out of it. Remember that Motorcycle Dealer is not there with your best interests in mind, they are there to sell motorcycles, If they can sell you a new one they will! If they can sell you a bigger one they will! Most of them do not care if you can even ride it. You might be surprised how many bikes get sold that the new owners cannot even ride. they get a friend to ride it home for them, truck it home etc. they buy bikes they cannot ride or buy a bike before they even know how to ride!

Hand me downs, while this can be good if it is a bike that fits you and you can handle, I have had women students come to class. Thier husband upgraded from his 1100cc bike to a 1800cc bike and is saving the 1100cc bike for his wife. She has never driven a bike and he thinks it will be a good bike for her. Maybe for a third bike after many years of riding but not a first bike! Use your head when getting that first bike and also get professional training!

Try to find a smaller bike (Depending on your physical size) if you are not really tall there are plenty of good bikes out there you can find used. Regardless of what you find for a bike, make sure it is one that fits you. Rember this is your first bike it does not have to last you a life time and may even get dropped (Even if just in the driveway) once or twice. You will stress a lot more if you are sitting on a new $10,000 bike and worring about dropping it instead of what you are suppossed to be doing to operate the bike properly.

You would be surprized that when it comes time to sell your bike you will find many other people also looking for that first easy to operate and ride bike to learn on etc. Take your time and find a bike that fits you! If you want recomendations you can always ask!

Get qualified training, Choose the right bike and keep the rubber side down! We look forward to seeing you out on the road!
 
In general, I agree with the OP. Having said that, individuals are different. Some people are naturals and can handle a larger bike from the get go while others may benefit from learning on a smaller bike first. A smaller bike will almost always be easier to learn on regardless of who you are but the hassle of re-selling, desire for more power and putting up with friends' mockery (if you care) are legitimate variables to take into account when purchasing that first bike. It all depends on how you weight the importance of these variables. Hopefully safety is a big factor in the decision making but not everyone starts at the same level in everything.

Be honest with yourself though. If you know you're the type of person who picks things up very quickly, possess maturity and willing to accept the risks then, by all means, go for it. Problem is a lot of people aren't honest with themselves, get swept away in delusions of grandeur and get themselves (and potentially others) into trouble. For this reason I recommend the OP's approach.
 
One big differance that I think matters between Canada and the states is in Canada more folks are forced to start with smaller bikes due to very high insurance costs. These are not usually an issue in the states and here many people tend to jump on the big bikes from day one. just antoher recipe for a crash in many cases.
 
For what it is worth, i've met many riders who feel that they've outgrown the straight line speed of their bike and upgrade. While sure a 600ss can be used to learn on (and its not recommended), a 250, 400 or 500 sport touring will probably be more forgiving to oh SH** moments and sudden inputs, which have been numerous in my first season of riding. Another annoying thing is people who've been riding for years and can't handle their bikes. I've been on a few random group rides, one guy had to slow down from 100 to 60 for turns on the dvp, and another stalled 7 times on stop signs going uphill in the beaches. Both on late model 600ss. had another guy tell me he almost lost it on some twisties on his 2011 yamaha 650 sport touring because his front end was loose in the turns....all of these guys had years of riding experience...
 
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For what it is worth, i've met many riders who feel that they've outgrown the straight line speed of their bike and upgrade.

This always bothers me to some extent. Unless you are well in excess of the speed limits, most of the 250cc bikes I know and have owned will break the posted speed limits by 50%. So if you are not at the track how do you outgrow the straight line speed of your bike?
 
I'm a new rider (not even a full season yet) and have really benefited from purchasing small bikes in order to get more and more practice. With some good advice on this forum, I started off on a 125 (much to the good natured mocking of some friends) and have moved up to a 250 and frankly I can't find anything wrong with this bike. Could it be a little faster? Sure...Bit better in the wind? Of course...but in the end the bike does everything I want it to do well for my situation. I commute almost daily on it to work, take the occasional highway trip, and do some local touring when I get a chance.

Sometimes I do wish there was some more speed, more stability in the wind, and some more luggage options but in the end the bike is just perfect for what I need it to be. I want to get a bigger bike, but for the current time I will stick with it because I'm still learning.

One of my reasons for wanting to move up is to do more touring around Ontario and exploring the area. Many people are telling me that I need at least a 600+ to tour comfortably and I'm sure there's truth to that, but there's also just as many people/forums stating that a 250cc bike will also tour. It's a different type of touring, and may not be as comfortable, etc...but it will do the job for you. I'd definitely like some input from forum members on small cc touring, as I'm interested in doing this when time allows. And for 1-2 days trips I'm sure the CBR will be fine.
 
I'd definitely like some input from forum members on small cc touring, as I'm interested in doing this when time allows. And for 1-2 days trips I'm sure the CBR will be fine.

Depending on the style of bike, riding posture you want there are a lot of great 500cc bikes out there that ride well, get good mileage and tour well!

I like the Suzuki GS500 and it comes both naked and full fairing editions. The Ninja 500 is more sporty and the Kawasaki LTD or Vulcon 500 are great for cruisers along with the Yamaha 535 Virago. There are so many good bikes out there to choose from.
 
Depending on the style of bike, riding posture you want there are a lot of great 500cc bikes out there that ride well, get good mileage and tour well!

I like the Suzuki GS500 and it comes both naked and full fairing editions. The Ninja 500 is more sporty and the Kawasaki LTD or Vulcon 500 are great for cruisers along with the Yamaha 535 Virago. There are so many good bikes out there to choose from.

Thanks for the update! I think once I go to a bigger bike I'm going to look into these, as well as the new Honda NC700X (largest displacement I'm considering) as I love the look of the bike but need to try it out.

For now I'm looking at doing some day/weekend light touring on the CBR250R as I'm not planning on upgrading too soon (unless a stupidly good deal comes along!)
 
Hey I Just got my m1 a couple of days ago and was getting gear at Kahuna for the safety course i will be taking soon. I sat on the ninja 250 and i found it a bit small, even though I'm a beginner with no experience, and wouldn't mind a 250 at all. I'm about 6'1 and 200 lbs (a little on the husky side ;)) and i do have longer legs. I than sat on the ninja 400 and found it to be a better fit for my frame. I was wondering if that would be a good alternative to the 250 beginner bikes? I was also told that the sv650 would be a good beginner bike because of my frame, but I was a bit skeptical starting on a 600cc + bike.
 
Hey I Just got my m1 a couple of days ago and was getting gear at Kahuna for the safety course i will be taking soon. I sat on the ninja 250 and i found it a bit small, even though I'm a beginner with no experience, and wouldn't mind a 250 at all. I'm about 6'1 and 200 lbs (a little on the husky side ;)) and i do have longer legs. I than sat on the ninja 400 and found it to be a better fit for my frame. I was wondering if that would be a good alternative to the 250 beginner bikes? I was also told that the sv650 would be a good beginner bike because of my frame, but I was a bit skeptical starting on a 600cc + bike.

Being in the states we have different bikes available and my list of good first bikes does not match whats available in Canada. On that note I would say first you need to evaluate your skills after completing an approved riding course. If you feel confident to take on the 400cc Ninja after that then I would say go for it. Due to the bikes available here we only have the choice between the 250 and 500 ninja (Also 500 Suzuki) and for the larger people who have completed the MSF program the 500 makes a good bike. A point in our favor is that we are not a heavily populated metro area and with the exception of Interstate 81 (Two lanes each way) all our roads are only one lane each way. So much less stress in traffic.
 
Hey I Just got my m1 a couple of days ago and was getting gear at Kahuna for the safety course i will be taking soon. I sat on the ninja 250 and i found it a bit small, even though I'm a beginner with no experience, and wouldn't mind a 250 at all. I'm about 6'1 and 200 lbs (a little on the husky side ;)) and i do have longer legs. I than sat on the ninja 400 and found it to be a better fit for my frame. I was wondering if that would be a good alternative to the 250 beginner bikes? I was also told that the sv650 would be a good beginner bike because of my frame, but I was a bit skeptical starting on a 600cc + bike.

A couple of my friends suggested I get the Ninja 400 or the SV650 over the 250 for my first bike because i'm about 6' and almost 200 lbs too. I still stuck with the 250 cause I wanted to be "safe". It was a mistake for me and of course that's my opinion. The 250 was a bit small for me and I out grew it very quickly.

If you buy a 250, it's good to learn on because you can't really push it out of control very easily. That's the one positive of my buying the 250. I leaned hard and was willing to push the bike because it was light and agile and definitely less intimidating to my own self when I started. But I think the 400 will do the same for you and you might just end up hanging on to it for a bit longer than you would a 250.
 
A couple of my friends suggested I get the Ninja 400 or the SV650 over the 250 for my first bike because i'm about 6' and almost 200 lbs too. I still stuck with the 250 cause I wanted to be "safe". It was a mistake for me and of course that's my opinion. The 250 was a bit small for me and I out grew it very quickly.

If you buy a 250, it's good to learn on because you can't really push it out of control very easily. That's the one positive of my buying the 250. I leaned hard and was willing to push the bike because it was light and agile and definitely less intimidating to my own self when I started. But I think the 400 will do the same for you and you might just end up hanging on to it for a bit longer than you would a 250.


Ya I wouldnt mind getting the 400, and I hope i dont out grow it. i think 400cc will be more than enough power for me for at least a couple of years. I know how you feel about being able to push the bike to get a good feel for it. That would greatly benefit any new rider, but i hope i can do the same with the 400. It just felt more comfortable to sit on and less cramped than the 250. I would go for the safer 250 like you too, but i just dont think i could sit on that bike for more than 30 mins b4 having to stretch out.
 
Ya I wouldnt mind getting the 400, and I hope i dont out grow it. i think 400cc will be more than enough power for me for at least a couple of years. I know how you feel about being able to push the bike to get a good feel for it. That would greatly benefit any new rider, but i hope i can do the same with the 400. It just felt more comfortable to sit on and less cramped than the 250. I would go for the safer 250 like you too, but i just dont think i could sit on that bike for more than 30 mins b4 having to stretch out.

I actually like the SV650 a lot too. The new ones have the full sports fairings and everything.
The Ninja 650 is similar to that bike too. There is one guy selling a Ninja 650 in the Forums. Check it out. I think he has it on for $5000. See if it's worth it for you.
The Ninja 650 is much more tame than the Ninja Zx-6r.

But make sure you check Insurance rates on all these bikes!! Some insurance companies don't differenciate between type of bikes and only look at cc. So to them a Zx-6r isn't much different than a Ninja 650.
 
The SV is a fantastic Bike. Just picked one up and got rid of the 250. In keeping with this thread the only reason I got out of the little ninja was my propensity to take the 407 home after work. I didn't feel it was able to get me out of the way fast enough when it was close to pinned already. I'll be the first to admit I'll probably never have the skill to truly out-ride a 250 let alone the 650.
 
This always bothers me to some extent. Unless you are well in excess of the speed limits, most of the 250cc bikes I know and have owned will break the posted speed limits by 50%. So if you are not at the track how do you outgrow the straight line speed of your bike?

"Outgrown" is a misleading word... probably more like "got bored". I think it's about the acceleration over top speed. While a rider might not be able to take a 250 to it's limits, it's much more gratifiying to accelerate on a larger motor whether launching off the line or passing. It's the same reason we upgrade to cars with more powerful engines. 99.9% of people I know are commuters not drivers yet, they want more powerful vehicles even though they can't drive their little civic to it's limits. It's a legitimate reason to upgrade.

As much as we'd love everyone to share in the passion of becoming proficient in this hobby that we love, not everyone has the same goal. I was talking to a guy at Tim's last week who said he only travels in straight lines and f*** the corners lol. Honest. But he wants a litre bike.
 
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