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Fishing Charges?!?! anyone have any experience?!

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My buddies went salmon netting for fun and got caught doing it...only caught 2 at bowmanville. As they were heading out with their fish the wild life police came from behind and actually have been watching them alll night. All of them got charged with 2 charges..netting and illegal transporting. None had a fishing license either but they didnt lay charges down for some reason..maybe cuz they were being cooperative? Well I know this is totally unbike related but I have no idea where else to ask this LOL hoping for anyone with any ideas of the best way to approach this situation. They were told by the officers the fine ranges from $1000 - $4000 ...

this is what the tickets look like
http://imageshack.us/g/819/<wbr>img03949201209151128.jpg/

Highly appreciate any suggestions
 
I assume this is just like any provincial offence notice/summons and they could prolly negotiate with the crown for a reduced fine for a guilty verdict.
 
Bweixz said:
My buddies went salmon netting for fun and got caught doing it...only caught 2 at bowmanville. As they were heading out with their fish the wild life police came from behind and actually have been watching them alll night. All of them got charged with 2 charges..netting and illegal transporting. None had a fishing license either but they didnt lay charges down for some reason..maybe cuz they were being cooperative? Well I know this is totally unbike related but I have no idea where else to ask this LOL hoping for anyone with any ideas of the best way to approach this situation. They were told by the officers the fine ranges from $1000 - $4000 ...

this is what the tickets look like
http://imageshack.us/g/819/<wbr>img03949201209151128.jpg/

Highly appreciate any suggestions
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A quick look at the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act shows that:

92. (1) A conservation officer who is lawfully in a building or other place may, without a warrant, seize any thing that he or she believes on reasonable grounds, (a) has been obtained by the commission of an offence under this Act;

(b) has been used in the commission of an offence under this Act;
(c) will afford evidence of the commission of an offence under this Act; or
(d) is intermixed with a thing referred to in clause (a), (b) or (c).



Penalty
102. (1) A person convicted of an offence under this Act is liable to a fine of not more than $25,000, to imprisonment for a term of not more than one year, or to both.

In other words they may wish to seek counsel and are lucky that they didn't end up walking home, as their vehicle(s) could be considered to have been used in the commission of the offence. It's not unusual.
 
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Should be friends and hang with a Native when fishing and hunting and then no charges. LOL Going to cost you, its a wonder your vehicles were not impounded also and then again they may still be at the trial.
 
Illigal fishing is a costly affair,plead guilty and hopefully get a deal worked on the penalty,good luck.
 
DoubleJ said:
Should be friends and hang with a Native when fishing and hunting and then no charges. LOL Going to cost you, its a wonder your vehicles were not impounded also and then again they may still be at the trial.
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Natives wouldn't get charged but if you don't have status you still have to follow the rules.
 
Try the Ontario Fishing boards. Someone there might have some experience with this kind of charge. Buddy of mine got charged for fishing without a license once but only got slapped with the minimum fine. $100-something I think.
 
This thread makes me angry because it demonstrates how retarded some authority types can be.
Common sense and logic is quickly becoming extinct.

Sure, if a guy is netting fish and taking them off to market for sale, i'll agree that's poaching.
But a couple guys camping that take two fish for their own consumption, it's a huge crime that will require a costly trial, not only for the offender, but the taxpayers as well. All for a fish. :confused:

I'm a Canadian citizen, as far as i'm concerned, those fish belong to me too.
If i'm starving and i need to take a fish to eat, i shouldn't need a licence to do so.
There's a difference between personal use, sport fishing and fishing for profit.
 
AGAVE said:
This thread makes me angry because it demonstrates how retarded some authority types can be.
Common sense and logic is quickly becoming extinct.

Sure, if a guy is netting fish and taking them off to market for sale, i'll agree that's poaching.
But a couple guys camping that take two fish for their own consumption, it's a huge crime that will require a costly trial, not only for the offender, but the taxpayers as well. All for a fish. :confused:

I'm a Canadian citizen, as far as i'm concerned, those fish belong to me too.
If i'm starving and i need to take a fish to eat, i shouldn't need a licence to do so.
There's a difference between personal use, sport fishing and fishing for profit.
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None of which applies to this situation. The fisheries and wildlife laws exist for a reason.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
None of which applies to this situation. The fisheries and wildlife laws exist for a reason.
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Asian Carp will take over soon, so what's the big deal?
I doubt catching "two salmon" is the reason those laws were made, pollution and invasive species will be the main cause of any decline in our native species.
 
AGAVE said:
Asian Carp will take over soon, so what's the big deal?
I doubt catching "two salmon" is the reason those laws were made, pollution and invasive species will be the main cause of any decline in our native species.
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Two salmon, by two people. How many by 50 people? A hundred? A thousand, because no one stops them? That will only hasten the decline to the point on inevitability.
 
AGAVE said:
This thread makes me angry because it demonstrates how retarded some authority types can be.
Common sense and logic is quickly becoming extinct.

Sure, if a guy is netting fish and taking them off to market for sale, i'll agree that's poaching.
But a couple guys camping that take two fish for their own consumption, it's a huge crime that will require a costly trial, not only for the offender, but the taxpayers as well. All for a fish. :confused:

I'm a Canadian citizen, as far as i'm concerned, those fish belong to me too.
If i'm starving and i need to take a fish to eat, i shouldn't need a licence to do so.
There's a difference between personal use, sport fishing and fishing for profit.
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How do you know they weren't going to sell them somewhere?

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AGAVE said:
This thread makes me angry because it demonstrates how retarded some authority types can be.
Common sense and logic is quickly becoming extinct.

Sure, if a guy is netting fish and taking them off to market for sale, i'll agree that's poaching.
But a couple guys camping that take two fish for their own consumption, it's a huge crime that will require a costly trial, not only for the offender, but the taxpayers as well. All for a fish. :confused:

I'm a Canadian citizen, as far as i'm concerned, those fish belong to me too.
If i'm starving and i need to take a fish to eat, i shouldn't need a licence to do so.
There's a difference between personal use, sport fishing and fishing for profit.
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if you have a problem go fight it all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada; bitching about law enforcement won't get you anywhere, you need to strike at the heart of the issue

Canadians don't have common sense, we're too dumb and abusive to afford such luxuries; we need a nanny government to hold our hand; i don't believe our generation or the next can regulate themselves whatsoever
 
iFly55 said:
if you have a problem go fight it all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada; bitching about law enforcement won't get you anywhere, you need to strike at the heart of the issue

Canadians don't have common sense, we're too dumb and abusive to afford such luxuries; we need a nanny government to hold our hand; i don't believe our generation or the next can regulate themselves whatsoever
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Unfortunately 'nanny laws', like this, have come into being specifically because too many people seem incapable of realizing that there are inappropriate times to hunt or fish, for certain species, as it can decimate stocks. Sometimes it is due to perception, rather than reality, but the intent is the same and those caught clearly do not possess that particular breed of common sense.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
Unfortunately 'nanny laws', like this, have come into being specifically because too many people seem incapable of realizing that there are inappropriate times to hunt or fish, for certain species, as it can decimate stocks.
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+1

Sure, back 100 years ago when there was only 1/10th the population of people, and 10x the population of animals it was okay to hunt everything year round. But with the huge increase in population of people, and decrease in animal popultion: if we let everyone hunt/capture year round, animals would become extinct within a few years.

This coming from a guy who is an avid hunter, and grew up hunting.


As for what AGAVE said: I agree, if they're starving and can't afford to buy food, and need the fish to live; by all mean go ahead and hunt it. I'm fully in support of using wildlife to stay alive, if NEEDED. Heck,
But as it stands, they went "salmon netting for fun".
And it was only 2, because that's all they caught. What if they would of caught 10, would they of thrown 8 of them back?
 
Sabex said:
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Sure, back 100 years ago when there was only 1/10th the population of people, and 10x the population of animals it was okay to hunt everything year round. But with the huge increase in population of people, and decrease in animal popultion: if we let everyone hunt/capture year round, animals would become extinct within a few years.

This coming from a guy who is an avid hunter, and grew up hunting.


As for what AGAVE said: I agree, if they're starving and can't afford to buy food, and need the fish to live; by all mean go ahead and hunt it. I'm fully in support of using wildlife to stay alive, if NEEDED. Heck,
But as it stands, they went "salmon netting for fun".
And it was only 2, because that's all they caught. What if they would of caught 10, would they of thrown 8 of them back?
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Funny thing is most people don't understand that it's the avid hunters and anglers, who are most concerned about protecting stock. Ducks Unlimited, for example, was founded by avid duck hunters.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
Funny thing is most people don't understand that it's the avid hunters and anglers, who are most concerned about protecting stock. Ducks Unlimited, for example, was founded by avid duck hunters.
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All with good reason also. If there is no more game to hunt, they can't hunt anymore.

You also stay away from babies (and throw the small fish back.) Need to keep something around to grow bigger.


I would also like to add slightly offtopic: ducks unlimited thermal socks. BEST. THING. EVER. Every winter they keep my feet warm and toasty.
 
AGAVE said:
This thread makes me angry because it demonstrates how retarded some authority types can be.
Common sense and logic is quickly becoming extinct.

I'm a Canadian citizen, as far as i'm concerned, those fish belong to me too.
If i'm starving and i need to take a fish to eat, i shouldn't need a licence to do so.
There's a difference between personal use, sport fishing and fishing for profit.
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The fish belong to everyone. Regulation is an integral part of conservation - the monitoring & management of fish & other wildlife species.
 
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