Does a person need to be certified for fall arrest if they go onto a construction site but never go where it is needed? ie they only work at grade level and never would need a harness even if trained.
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Fall arrest certificate / training
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Most of the time you wouldnt. Some companies require cert.'s to work on their sites, but its not that common.
I have never been checked for certification on site. Some places dont even care as long as you are an outside contractor.
GTavalanche
Member
I actually did my fall arrest this morning, its a boring boring course but you do learn some stuff that would come in handy if you ever needed to be harnessed. But yeah, as everyone else has said it's up to the company.
They do training for that?
Training I got was, strap this on. Hook it on that rope there. Don't fall off.
That was at the Atrium on Bay.
A kid did fall, at what was Royal LePage at Yonge, Front, Wellington and Scott, right beside the fountain there, onto a terazzo machine, before I started on the job.
The next day they scaffolded the entire job all the way up.
Training I got was, strap this on. Hook it on that rope there. Don't fall off.
That was at the Atrium on Bay.
A kid did fall, at what was Royal LePage at Yonge, Front, Wellington and Scott, right beside the fountain there, onto a terazzo machine, before I started on the job.
The next day they scaffolded the entire job all the way up.
There is certainly more to it than that, having the wrong equipment and not knowing if you are using it right can be much worse than not having it.
The people who don't think they need any training probably do, those who truly don't could probably get the main points from youtube and a few minutes research.
The guy asking this question isn't even gonna work anywhere that requires fall protection so he obviously doesn't need training or a certificate. Furthermore, nobody (other than maybe an employer) asks to see a cert anyway, so whatever.
Those who do work where fall protection is needed should definitely know how to use it. On the same token, I don't think an entire course is necessary to teach someone how to set up fall protection and/or arrests. Most of it should be common sense.
One thing that bugs me is that ministry of labour asshats make up their own rules on the fly. What you're taught in class may not mean anything to the guy writing tickets/fines.
OK A clarification. I have taken fall arrest training but as part of general safety courses and it isn't as simple as one might think. However these were site specific courses and don't come with certificates that would be recognised on other sites.
A contractor wants me to do a service call and I have done numerous ground level jobs with him and no problems. This time the job is on a roof and his client is a nit-picker for details and wants the certificate. I've discussed other jobs with his client in the past and their demands would cost me more to impliment than I would make on the service call so I have passed.
I don't really want the roof top job but don't want the contractor to write me off for ground level stuff. What works for me is to not need the certificate but decline this job based on the owners demands.
If the M.o.L shows up on your job, they are going to ask you for all the certs that pertain to what you are doing at that time.
mbroyda
Well-known member
GC's, builders or owners will usually have their own H&S policy on their sites, and if it requires ALL workers to have a basic fall arrest certificate you must have it if you want to do work for said client.
F4IZZY
Active member
GC's will only ask for fall arrest from all workers who can be exposed to a fall greater than 10ft. Be it working from ground level on a ladder or scaffold or even a balcony. For that matter, exposure to any edge above 10ft. where a fall can occur. If you plan on being on any type of roof, even if not working close to the edge, be prepared to have certification.
Believe me I've been in construction over 10yrs now and "common sense" is killing workers. Workers need to be trained and reminded and re-reminded on a daily basis. The MOL is just doing they're job although not well, at least they're looking out for idiot workers cuz God knows the GC does not give a crap and more frequently causing and letting dangerous situations happen.
I work as a Health and Safety Rep and Im always on the GC's ***** for infractions and defficiencies.
Whatever workers need to know about safety regs is all in the "green book" Reg. 213/91 for construction projects (google it). These regulations apply to GC's as well. So the next time the GC threatens to call MOL on you, tell them go right ahead, cuz more often than not the GC safety measures are not up to par causing the dangerous situation in the first place.
Believe me I've been in construction over 10yrs now and "common sense" is killing workers. Workers need to be trained and reminded and re-reminded on a daily basis. The MOL is just doing they're job although not well, at least they're looking out for idiot workers cuz God knows the GC does not give a crap and more frequently causing and letting dangerous situations happen.
I work as a Health and Safety Rep and Im always on the GC's ***** for infractions and defficiencies.
Whatever workers need to know about safety regs is all in the "green book" Reg. 213/91 for construction projects (google it). These regulations apply to GC's as well. So the next time the GC threatens to call MOL on you, tell them go right ahead, cuz more often than not the GC safety measures are not up to par causing the dangerous situation in the first place.
From the online Green Book:
PART II
GENERAL CONSTRUCTION
Application
20. This Part applies with respect to all projects. O. Reg. 213/91, s. 20.
Protective Clothing, Equipment and Devices
21. (1) A worker shall wear such protective clothing and use such personal protective equipment or devices as are necessary to protect the worker against the hazards to which the worker may be exposed. O. Reg. 213/91, s. 21 (1).
(2) A worker’s employer shall require the worker to comply with subsection (1). O. Reg. 213/91, s. 21 (2).
(3) A worker required to wear protective clothing or use personal protective equipment or devices shall be adequately instructed and trained in the care and use of the clothing, equipment or device before wearing or using it. O. Reg. 213/91, s. 21 (3).
22. (1) Every worker shall wear protective headwear at all times when on a project. O. Reg. 213/91, s. 22 (1).(2)
23. (1) Every worker shall wear protective footwear at all times when on a project. O. Reg. 213/91, s. 23 (1).
24. A worker shall use protection appropriate in the circumstances when there is a risk of eye injury to the worker. O. Reg. 213/91, s. 24.
26. Sections 26.1 to 26.9 apply where a worker is exposed to any of the following hazards:
1. Falling more than 3 metres.
2. Falling more than 1.2 metres, if the work area is used as a path for a wheelbarrow or similar equipment.
3. Falling into operating machinery.
4. Falling into water or another liquid.
5. Falling into or onto a hazardous substance or object.
6. Falling through an opening on a work surface. O. Reg. 145/00, s. 12; O. Reg. 85/04, s. 4.
OK I've boldened two sections.
21 (3) A worker required to wear protective clothing or use personal protective equipment or devices shall be adequately instructed and trained in the care and use of the clothing, equipment or device before wearing or using it. O. Reg. 213/91, s. 21 (3).
22. (1) Every worker shall wear protective headwear at all times when on a project. O. Reg. 213/91, s. 22 (1).(2)
To me the "A worker required to wear...use" implies that if he doesn't need it he doesn't need to be trained in using it. Compare that to 22( 1) where it flatly says you have to wear a hard hat on a project. There is no allowance for being where nothing can hit you. If the site trailer is on site you theorectically have to wear your lid to job meetings.
This tells me that not all safety PPE and training is mandatory. However I can see an owner demanding it just in case the person had to be re-assigned to a different task on short notice. That re-assignment is more the issue as the associated costs outweigh the service fees.
I am not for one second suggesting that a person avoid fall arrest training but I don't see why it should be demanded when not relevant.
Fall arrest training is a joke, adequatly instructed is all your getting when you get certified.
My boss was given 7 days to provide proof of training after a visit from ministry of labour a month ago.
^^^^ This.
The "training" we took for our FA certificate consisted of watching a video, and Q n A session, and trying on a harness.
Then we were "certified" and got our ticket.
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Well, I worked 30 years ago. If you look way up at the Atrium on Bay, I did some of that. But not the crooked stuff lol. I also did some of the trim around the skylights. Glaziers had already put them in, and it was around 150 degrees up there on the swingstage. If you wore gloves on the job back then, you would be quickly escorted out and sent back to the union office. We had two guys laminating drywall onto the concrete walls, and they came across a conduit in the middle of the wall. Instead of furring out the wall around the conduit, they pounded it flat with their hammers and then laminated the board over top. I remember getting chewed out and having to redo some work as an apprentice, because the two journeymen that I was working with were screwing up, but I should have known better. Later I went back to school and went into computers.
Don't think you do. I don't have it and can work on jobs that require it as long as I'm not the one climbing a tower or something. We usually just hire contractors for that although some of our people have training.
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