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I spent the last 5x years working for a company that has a strong presence in Montreal & Toronto. During my 5x years, I have learned and kept my mouth shut about a lot of dishonest practices the company is doing behind the scenes. On the outside, the company looks like a "legit" business, but there are a lot of inconsistencies with how the business operates internally. I was released from the company because of my frustrations with the management, and I want this company to crash and burn. I have irrefutable proof that this company is scamming businesses. Is defamation of a company legal if I have the goods in backing up my story? What are the setbacks I could potentially face?
 
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I spent the last 5x years working for a company that has a strong presence in Montreal & Toronto. During my 5x years, I have learned and kept my mouth shut about a lot of dishonest practices the company is doing behind the scenes. On the outside, the company looks like a "legit" business, but there are a lot of inconsistencies with how the business operates internally. I was released from the company because of my frustrations with the management, and I want this company to crash and burn. I have irrefutable proof that this company is scamming businesses. Is defamation of a company legal if I have the goods in backing up my story? What are the setbacks I could potentially face?
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I don't think defamation is legal, but scamming sure isn't. If you have irrefutable proof, report it to the cops or something and have them shut down. If they don't do anything then, do something about it. lol

http://www.carters.ca/pub/bulletin/charity/2007/chylb125.htm - I just skimmed through it...
 
Call the CBC and do an anonymous interview, and let them do the dirty work.

Also, wouldn't you be protected as a 'whistle-blower'?
 
You didn't try to use one of your famous panty-drop lines on a few of the employees, did you?
 
Anonymous website/youtube video. Send it all across the interwebz including the news outlets. If you want credit then expose it with your name on it otherwise interwebz is a good place for anonymity.

Good luck have fun.
 
Report to better business bureau? Is there such a thing?
 
Re the CBC it would probably have to relate to the general public. If a widget manufacturer was scamming the company that made the widget blanks it wouldn't generate enough public attention. Can you elude to the nature of the market without blowing your cover?

Re Whistle blowing, If you do the research whistle blowers don't generally do well afterwards.

Are the actions of the company illegal or just unethical?

The reality is that if you go after this scam even with "Proof" they can try to sue you for slander etc. It can take many years to clear your name and at your legal expense. They will paint you as a disgruntled employee.

While you were an employee of the company did you participate in any of these illegal activities? If the answer is yes shouldn't you be charged as well?

The legal expenses will be huge if they are a decent sized company. That's how big companies win. Look into how big farm seed companies deal with small farmers that don't follow their rules. One farmer was up to $100,000 in legal fees and that was before it even got to court.

Some house builder out near Milton apparently failed to satisfy a customer who retaliated by doing a tell all. She was sued for slander by the builder and her defense fees I think cost her her house.

Legal action is like war and the artillery is your wallet. It's hard to take out a Howitzer with a BB gun.

If their actions didn't directly affect you I'm guessing you can't sue them for any compensation even if you win. At best you could get your legal expenses back but not the five to seven years of worrying about whether you're going to lose your house.

This will take years to settle and you will be bombarded with questions on a regular basis so forget about relaxing for a few years.
Where were you when you heard XXXXX?
Who else was there? Now you rat on an ex-colleague who may need their job to pay for the kiddie's braces.

If these people are as crooked as you imply they will have no sympathy for screwing you further as well as anyone who collaborates with you.

The noble elite on the forum would say it's your civic duty to do the right thing. The noble elite rarely volunteer to pay your bills.

The reason so much company scamming goes on is because of what I have listed above. If everyone did the right thing every time it would be a far better world. I congratulate you if you proceed.

I'm not saying don't do it but be aware of the consequences.

If this is a business sector you no longer want to be associated with and you have hard proof in the way of documents (Preferably that can't be traced back to you) you could send them to the people that got scammed and let them go after compensation.

Do you want to see justice done or do you just want revenge? If you had quit because you got a better paying, more rewarding job would you still feel like going after their throats or would you kick back, enjoy life and move on?
 
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Defamation is only when the accusations are baseless. If you can prove that what is happing is illegal or imoral and actually happens then your not in any trouble.

Just stick to the facts and if you stating an opinion state its your opinion.

I like what someone else in this thread said. Call the CBC if the story has legs and is a well know company then they should be happy to run with it.

Noobies point is spot on too. Even if legal action is taken and you are in the right then the legal battle can still destroy you.
 
Princess's Man's bestest advice is this :bunny::kermit::

Bringing the company down will likely be a major uphill battle, as others have pointed out. However, to be more practical, have you considered teaming up with an employment lawyer and going the wrongful dismissal route. If you have irrefutable proof that this company is scamming others, then you have some leverage--provided you keep things quiet.

Most sane companies will want to avoid the litigation route--too costly for both parties. Even if you're a billion dollar company, it's far easier to just settle. In return, you'll likely have to sign a confidentiality agreement. But, you may end up with a nice cheque!

Good luck, my little bunny! :bunny:
 
Quit snitching. You worked there for 5 years than you get canned and now you have a problem with they're business practices. I would support your efforts if you had a solid moral compass but I just can't get behind your pitiful vengeance.
 
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I spent the last 5x years working for a company that has a strong presence in Montreal & Toronto. During my 5x years, I have learned and kept my mouth shut about a lot of dishonest practices the company is doing behind the scenes. On the outside, the company looks like a "legit" business, but there are a lot of inconsistencies with how the business operates internally. I was released from the company because of my frustrations with the management, and I want this company to crash and burn. I have irrefutable proof that this company is scamming businesses. Is defamation of a company legal if I have the goods in backing up my story? What are the setbacks I could potentially face?
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I hope you negotiated a nice serverence package!?
 
go talk to a fraud detective. show your 'irrefutable proof' .s/he will tell you if any law has been broken, and if so, s/he will take over from there.
If no law has been broken, but still shady business tactics... you can state your opinion, but you can expect a slander suit, depending on how much legal funding they have.


As for a severance package...
unless you agreed upon something specific, in writing, when you were hired 5 years ago, you're only entitled for 2 weeks + 1 week for every year worked. ( 7 weeks total)
 
If you cannot legally prove that they have done something wrong/illegal, yes they could go after you for defamation ... but then you need to speak to a lawyer (not a motorcycle forum) and be prepared for a possible legal ordeal.

Frustrations with management is something most of us have had in their lifetime ... it's hardly a firm ground for ... "This is why I was let go ...." ... there will have to be a lot more to it (and usually they will be able to come up with a variety of reasons you might not even realize now), that is if you feel that your severance package was not up to a fair amount. If it was, I'd say move on ... life is short ... but it also depends on the type of fraud you have witnessed. Hard to say, just from what you should ever reveal on the web ....

On the other hand, you might be thankful to them that they let you go, since they are fraudulent (by your word) and who knows what will happen down the road ....
 
all the other advice is good, but contact a lawyer that has worked on whislteblower/fraud cases.

they will tell you what direction to take (public media, police, etc.)

also, proof is more than "i saw them do it"
 
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nobbie48's points sound pretty good. What a rats nest. Is it any wonder why white collar crime is least prosecuted? An uphill battle for what? I consulted 2 separate lawyers for a single incident once. Didn't take a genius to figure out what my life would be like for the next so many years if I'd chosen to go forward. Who wants to live like that for a little bit of justice. Of course there are people who thrive on this kind of drama.
 
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Quit snitching. You worked there for 5 years than you get canned and now you have a problem with they're business practices. I would support your efforts if you had a solid moral compass but I just can't get behind your pitiful vengeance.
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Took you 5 years brah? Would you still feel the same way if you didn't get canned?

Let me guess... you always insist on paying tax even when you buy something "cash" because you're so against corrupt practices.

I'm not anti-whistleblowing, but looking at your post history and threads started over the years.. screams 1) troll 2) ridiculous

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