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Yep, happened to me when I bought my new 2019 Triumph Speed Twin in silver from GP Bikes.

I didn't notice it until I was thinking of selling it a year later where the ownership GP gave me said it was red (they had that one on the floor too but I bought the silver). If it said it was also silver I'd likely never have caught it.

Anyways, GP fixed it and I got the new ownership in the mail as well as a $50 gift card as I recall (which offset some of the cost at Service Ontario for something I had to do there which I can't recall now off-hand).
 
Well. This is a mess.
Went to the dealer, after talking this am.
Got all original paperwork, some cash for the inconvenience, and an affidavit stating a mistake was made by SO.
Went to SO in Paris (issuing office).
I have ownership to a PW50, which isn't street legal.
Person who bought the PW50, has my FJR vin. <<<-- info not available to me.
Situation is recognized, but they can't help me today.
ALL paperwork has to be pulled from the day the transaction took place (last October).
Then, it has to go to SO's legal team/department.
I was told this is going to take "a day or two"........I can only imagine wtf that means.
Buyer is, for the most part......understanding.
He's been fully refunded......he has nothing to worry about.......but I'm f'n pizzed.
I nearly sold the bike to a Winnipeg resident, who was going to fly & ride......that would have been complete disaster.
My buyer is near Barrie.
 
Gary said:
Well. This is a mess.
Went to the dealer, after talking this am.
Got all original paperwork, some cash for the inconvenience, and an affidavit stating a mistake was made by SO.
Went to SO in Paris (issuing office).
I have ownership to a PW50, which isn't street legal.
Person who bought the PW50, has my FJR vin. <<<-- info not available to me.
Situation is recognized, but they can't help me today.
ALL paperwork has to be pulled from the day the transaction took place (last October).
Then, it has to go to SO's legal team/department.
I was told this is going to take "a day or two"........I can only imagine wtf that means.
Buyer is, for the most part......understanding.
He's been fully refunded......he has nothing to worry about.......but I'm f'n pizzed.
I nearly sold the bike to a Winnipeg resident, who was going to fly & ride......that would have been complete disaster.
My buyer is near Barrie.
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So what colour is your ownership? Is it green or brown? So messed up. I guess they could have printed on green when it should have been on brown but they shouldn't have been able to attach a plate to the PW50 VIN.

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As for "info not available to me", you could pull UVIP for FJR VIN to get other persons name.
 
Gary said:
it has to go to SO's legal team/department.
I was told this is going to take "a day or two".
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A day or two send the email request to legal, maybe.
 
GreyGhost said:
So what colour is your ownership? Is it green or brown? So messed up. I guess they could have printed on green when it should have been on brown but they shouldn't have been able to attach a plate to the PW50 VIN.

EDIT:
As for "info not available to me", you could pull UVIP for FJR VIN to get other persons name.
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It's green, as it should be.
The PW is unplated. That was confirmed to me.
Except the (green) ownership, the VIN matches everything.....i.e. Bill of sale, warranty papers, and my insurance pink slip are all correct.
Why me?
 
I bought a used boat and trailer a guy had imported from Florida. He had all the registration papers but border services screwed up the paperwork on the trailer. He didn't notice until later.

He contacted them and was told he would have to return to the port of entry with the trailer and all the paperwork when the original issuing agent was on duty. Then they would review the situation.

Solution: The trailer got registered as home built.
 
nobbie48 said:
I bought a used boat and trailer a guy had imported from Florida. He had all the registration papers but border services screwed up the paperwork on the trailer. He didn't notice until later.

He contacted them and was told he would have to return to the port of entry with the trailer and all the paperwork when the original issuing agent was on duty. Then they would review the situation.

Solution: The trailer got registered as home built.
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Importing a trailer is a mess. It is the same process as importing a motor vehicle. Importing trailer parts is simple. Most of my trailers are "home built".
 
The PW50 that matches the VIN on your ownership was never likely plated, as either road or off road, and I would be surprised if the owner or owners at this stage have ever done anything but a bill of sale.
 
xrljoel said:
The PW50 that matches the VIN on your ownership was never likely plated, as either road or off road, and I would be surprised if the owner or owners at this stage have ever done anything but a bill of sale.
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Got it straightened out today at SO.......
I'm now registered as the 1st owner of a PW50 out there somewhere, and I'm listed as the 2nd owner of the FJR, which I bought brand new.
Two weeks ago, I paid for the wrong UVIP.
They tried to make me pay again today for the one I need.
After making it clear that I'm not paying.....she gave me one.
 
Gary said:
Got it straightened out today at SO.......
I'm now registered as the 1st owner of a PW50 out there somewhere, and I'm listed as the 2nd owner of the FJR, which I bought brand new.
Two weeks ago, I paid for the wrong UVIP.
They tried to make me pay again today for the one I need.
After making it clear that I'm not paying.....she gave me one.
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At least they didn't try to tax you when moving the fjr into your name. I may have heard your head explode from here.
 
Gary said:
Got it straightened out today at SO.......
I'm now registered as the 1st owner of a PW50 out there somewhere, and I'm listed as the 2nd owner of the FJR, which I bought brand new.
Two weeks ago, I paid for the wrong UVIP.
They tried to make me pay again today for the one I need.
After making it clear that I'm not paying.....she gave me one.
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Oof. Nightmare sitch.
 
GreyGhost said:
Importing a trailer is a mess. It is the same process as importing a motor vehicle. .
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It's not actually. Trailers are easy, I've imported about 4 or 5 of them now, the latest being our new (replacement) camper late last summer.

If it's a powered vehicle things are complicated for importing - recall clearance letters, proof of compliance with our standards, replacing MPH with KPH speedometers if not electronic, etc.

Trailers? Report at border, paperwork, declared as any other purchase, your daily allowance even applies against taxes owed. Tow home, proceed through online Registrar of Imported Vehicles process, wait for paperwork in the mail a week or so later, go to Canadian Tire for inspection, they file inspection electronically, go directly to Service Ontario with all your paperwork (US papers, border papers, etc), get ownership, done.

>>This is the exception, not the norm>>>. Where it gets complicated is when you find out after you import the trailer that the VIN number had an error from the factory. A Canadian factory as the camper was originally built here. And it was originally exported to the USA and that VIN number apparently worked just fine down there, but the RIV system refused to accept that VIN because the checksum process fails because of said VIN error from the factory. THAT is a nightmare. It took me 9 months and countless emails and phone calls with both the RIV and Transport Canada to finally get a resolution, and at long last, my ownership. THAT was a whole situation that I'm glad is done. But again, that's the exception, not the norm - all my previous imports went reasonably smoothly, some took literally days, and involved zero pain at all.
 
PrivatePilot said:
It's not actually. Trailers are easy, I've imported about 4 or 5 of them now, the latest being our new (replacement) camper late last summer.

If it's a powered vehicle things are complicated for importing - recall clearance letters, proof of compliance with our standards, replacing MPH with KPH speedometers if not electronic, etc.

Trailers? Report at border, paperwork, declared as any other purchase, your daily allowance even applies against taxes owed. Tow home, proceed through online Registrar of Imported Vehicles process, wait for paperwork in the mail a week or so later, go to Canadian Tire for inspection, they file inspection electronically, go directly to Service Ontario with all your paperwork (US papers, border papers, etc), get ownership, done.

>>This is the exception, not the norm>>>. Where it gets complicated is when you find out after you import the trailer that the VIN number had an error from the factory. A Canadian factory as the camper was originally built here. And it was originally exported to the USA and that VIN number apparently worked just fine down there, but the RIV system refused to accept that VIN because the checksum process fails because of said VIN error from the factory. THAT is a nightmare. It took me 9 months and countless emails and phone calls with both the RIV and Transport Canada to finally get a resolution, and at long last, my ownership. THAT was a whole situation that I'm glad is done. But again, that's the exception, not the norm - all my previous imports went reasonably smoothly, some took literally days, and involved zero pain at all.
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Trailer parts don't have riv/inspection/vin/Canadian tire/border papers etc. I think a homebuilt trailer should have at least one inspection when registered but those aren't the rules.
 
GreyGhost said:
Trailer parts don't have riv/inspection/vin/Canadian tire/border papers etc. I think a homebuilt trailer should have at least one inspection when registered but those aren't the rules.
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Trailer parts, nope. But it's hard to show up at the border with this and claim it as parts. ;)

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If it hadn't been for the VIN error, the import would have been done in a week and a half or so, easy peasy. The Canadian Tire inspection is a joke, in the past it's ranged from "yeah the tires are good and the lights seem to be doing their blinky blinky and flashy flashy things" to "Yep that's a trailer", rubber stamp, done.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Trailer parts, nope. But it's hard to show up at the border with this and claim it as parts. ;)

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If it hadn't been for the VIN error, the import would have been done in a week and a half or so, easy peasy. The Canadian Tire inspection is a joke, in the past it's ranged from "yeah the tires are good and the lights seem to be doing their blinky blinky and flashy flashy things" to "Yep that's a trailer", rubber stamp, done.
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I have the advantage of crap trailers. I only imported one. The vin stayed in a garbage can at a us store and I turned the parts into a trailer on this side.
 
GreyGhost said:
I have the advantage of crap trailers. I only imported one. The vin stayed in a garbage can at a us store and I turned the parts into a trailer on this side.
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Harbour Freight folding special? The VIN plates on those things always seem to have a way of finding their way into a dumpster on the way home, it seems.
 
GreyGhost said:
I have the advantage of crap trailers. I only imported one. The vin stayed in a garbage can at a us store and I turned the parts into a trailer on this side.
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The "Home built" trailer registration is rampant in Ontario but I'm not sure what other jurisdictions are similar. If a person moved or sold a trailer elsewhere, having a legit VIN and paperwork could come in handy.

Many years back when I imported my Goldwing I overheard a Canadian border agent tell a person importing that we didn't care about the USA export documents but if the trailer ever ended up in the USA again there could be problems.

A crash, traffic stop or sale could show dual registrations.

I don't have any trailers but do have registrations and plates for a single axle and dual home built trailers.
 
nobbie48 said:
The "Home built" trailer registration is rampant in Ontario but I'm not sure what other jurisdictions are similar. If a person moved or sold a trailer elsewhere, having a legit VIN and paperwork could come in handy.
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Some people abuse the system for reasons I don't understand by registering any trailer they buy as a homebuilt. Trying to avoid taxes? There are no book values on trailers, so if you buy a trailer for $5000 and get a receipt for $500, well, nobody's going to bat an eye at SO, so I don't understand why some people will try to pull a fast one on the system to save....$65 in taxes? At the expense of not having a proper ownership when it comes for them to try to resell that trailer down the road?

I know if I went to look at a manufacturer built trailer with a VIN number and the owner pulls out an ownership that says "Homebuilt" when it comes time to hand over money, I'm running in the other direction.
 
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