http://www.wheels.ca/feature/why-lane-splitting-in-a-motorcycle-is-just-asking-for-trouble/
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I can't believe i was quoted on wheels.ca
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Eric Lai, "Why ‘lane-splitting’ in a motorcycle is just asking for trouble"
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Re: Eric Lai, "Why ‘lane-splitting’ in a motorcycle is just asking for trouble"
I like how he describes lane splitting as "extremely dangerous" without any sort of proof or reason for that statement. Also, everyone is aware of the fact that many of the HTA sections can apply to filtering/splitting, but the question is: why do they apply? Why is there no section specifying whether it is allowed or not, and why is that decision being made?
I like how he describes lane splitting as "extremely dangerous" without any sort of proof or reason for that statement. Also, everyone is aware of the fact that many of the HTA sections can apply to filtering/splitting, but the question is: why do they apply? Why is there no section specifying whether it is allowed or not, and why is that decision being made?
OpenGambit
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Re: Eric Lai, "Why ‘lane-splitting’ in a motorcycle is just asking for trouble"
That decision likely was not made, or even considered or thought of at the time the HTA was drafted. Thats why a offence ( if it should even be considered an offence) that should really be considered minor gets hammered with 172, when it shouldn't be.
That decision likely was not made, or even considered or thought of at the time the HTA was drafted. Thats why a offence ( if it should even be considered an offence) that should really be considered minor gets hammered with 172, when it shouldn't be.
00ninja
Well-known member
Re: Eric Lai, "Why ‘lane-splitting’ in a motorcycle is just asking for trouble"
Not quite lane splitting but you're riding on the hwy when everyone stops due to an accident for example. You start to see your engine temp go up and you start to feel your body temp go up on a hot summer day. Legal or illegal to ride (slowly with hazards on or right signal on) in the shoulder to get off at the next exit to avoid over heating?
Not quite lane splitting but you're riding on the hwy when everyone stops due to an accident for example. You start to see your engine temp go up and you start to feel your body temp go up on a hot summer day. Legal or illegal to ride (slowly with hazards on or right signal on) in the shoulder to get off at the next exit to avoid over heating?
Re: Eric Lai, "Why ‘lane-splitting’ in a motorcycle is just asking for trouble"
Yes, anecdotes would be much more authoratative than the word of a Ministry spokesman.
I don't quite get why you call the author's opinion and the official word aggregate though.
All news has someone's opinion nowadays.
All of the writers want to be columnists, so they stuff their opinion in wherever they can.
I've driven past people getting dinged for it. Never tried it myself. If you get a really nice cop, you could get a break, if you have a good excuse. Otherwise, I think someone got dinged here for 172. It would be a rough situation to be in.
Yes, anecdotes would be much more authoratative than the word of a Ministry spokesman.
I don't quite get why you call the author's opinion and the official word aggregate though.
All news has someone's opinion nowadays.
All of the writers want to be columnists, so they stuff their opinion in wherever they can.
I've driven past people getting dinged for it. Never tried it myself. If you get a really nice cop, you could get a break, if you have a good excuse. Otherwise, I think someone got dinged here for 172. It would be a rough situation to be in.
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Re: Eric Lai, "Why ‘lane-splitting’ in a motorcycle is just asking for trouble"
I don't think that what he said was considered an "official word". Also, I agree on the last part, and it seems like you can be let off or charged with a wide variety of things. It's really bad that there is no standardization, or consideration of what works in other countries.
I don't think that what he said was considered an "official word". Also, I agree on the last part, and it seems like you can be let off or charged with a wide variety of things. It's really bad that there is no standardization, or consideration of what works in other countries.
Re: Eric Lai, "Why ‘lane-splitting’ in a motorcycle is just asking for trouble"
I was in that situation on Canada Day long weekend couple years ago. Westbound on the 401 outside Napanee. Total traffic jam in 40 degree sunny weather. Full gear (leather jacket, back protector, heavy riding pants, knee and shin guards).
It was a choice between staying where I was and passing out from heat exhaustion or riding 2km up the shoulder to the next exit. I chose the latter. I figured if I got pulled over, at least the ambulance would come quickly.
I was in that situation on Canada Day long weekend couple years ago. Westbound on the 401 outside Napanee. Total traffic jam in 40 degree sunny weather. Full gear (leather jacket, back protector, heavy riding pants, knee and shin guards).
It was a choice between staying where I was and passing out from heat exhaustion or riding 2km up the shoulder to the next exit. I chose the latter. I figured if I got pulled over, at least the ambulance would come quickly.
Sabex
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Re: Eric Lai, "Why ‘lane-splitting’ in a motorcycle is just asking for trouble"
I had this exact same thing happen. Heading west on the 403 (merged onto it going south on 410) and there was an accident right at the Mavis exit. Traffic was backed up a decent bit. My bike actually started smoking, it go that hot. As soon as I saw the smoke coming from the engine I whipped onto the shoulder and rode it up to cool down the bike. Although, soon as I hit the exit (which I intended on taking) traffic was slowly going around the accident; so I merged back with traffic. Once we got past the firetrucks traffic resumed it's normal pace. All 3 lanes were closed, but it was right next to the exit so people were able to go around it.
Re: Eric Lai, "Why ‘lane-splitting’ in a motorcycle is just asking for trouble"
Illegal. You can pull off to the side in order to allow your vehicle to cool down, but it isn't intended for travel.
Illegal. You can pull off to the side in order to allow your vehicle to cool down, but it isn't intended for travel.
awyala
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Re: Eric Lai, "Why ‘lane-splitting’ in a motorcycle is just asking for trouble"
I don't normally agree with Rob but when I do I drink Dos Equis.....err I mean, yeah, there is a specific law about driving on the shoulder.
I don't normally agree with Rob but when I do I drink Dos Equis.....err I mean, yeah, there is a specific law about driving on the shoulder.
Re: Eric Lai, "Why ‘lane-splitting’ in a motorcycle is just asking for trouble"
Well if nothing else, it lets you know that media are reading GTAM (which I already knew)
http://www.wheels.ca/feature/why-lane-splitting-in-a-motorcycle-is-just-asking-for-trouble/
I can't believe i was quoted on wheels.ca
Well if nothing else, it lets you know that media are reading GTAM (which I already knew
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DraginMiFeet
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Why ‘lane-splitting’ on a motorcycle is just asking for trouble
Interesting article (August 28, 2012) on lane splitting and a section from Ontario Transportation Ministry spokesperson Bob Nichols
http://www.wheels.ca/feature/why-lane-splitting-in-a-motorcycle-is-just-asking-for-trouble/
I myself have done this rarely except to rejoin a group if we got split up, but not on my day to day biking.
Do you do this on a regular basis?
http://www.wheels.ca/feature/why-lane-splitting-in-a-motorcycle-is-just-asking-for-trouble/
I myself have done this rarely except to rejoin a group if we got split up, but not on my day to day biking.
Do you do this on a regular basis?
Re: Why ‘lane-splitting’ on a motorcycle is just asking for trouble
Other thread here: http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?162911-Eric-Lai-quot-Why-%91lane-splitting%92-in-a-motorcycle-is-just-asking-for-trouble-quot
My response is: I like how he describes lane splitting as "extremely dangerous" without any sort of proof or reason for that statement. Also, everyone is aware of the fact that many of the HTA sections can apply to filtering/splitting, but the question is: why do they apply? Why is there no section specifying whether it is allowed or not, and why is that decision being made?
Other thread here: http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?162911-Eric-Lai-quot-Why-%91lane-splitting%92-in-a-motorcycle-is-just-asking-for-trouble-quot
My response is: I like how he describes lane splitting as "extremely dangerous" without any sort of proof or reason for that statement. Also, everyone is aware of the fact that many of the HTA sections can apply to filtering/splitting, but the question is: why do they apply? Why is there no section specifying whether it is allowed or not, and why is that decision being made?
Re: Why ‘lane-splitting’ on a motorcycle is just asking for trouble
Lane splitting is illegal here. My *** has gotten a warning already, plus there are some stupid law cases, however.....
Lane splitting being "dangerous" if ****ing stupid. The only time I split is when two car are side by side, unless the car is going to turn into the other car, I'm safe from some jackass pulling out of no where, if I see a gap I will NOT SPLIT incase the car next to the gap merges in without signals or anything (or checking his blind spot). If traffic is dead (red light), splitting being dangerous is ********.
We're not California, Europe or Asia, therefore unless a lot of us start making a **** ton of noise to get lane splitting legalized (which I believe will NEVER happen because even amongst our riding community people QQ and ***** about it being unsafe) the only choice for lanesplitters is to move to another continent or California (...I would not move to South America lol).
Lane splitting is illegal here. My *** has gotten a warning already, plus there are some stupid law cases, however.....
Lane splitting being "dangerous" if ****ing stupid. The only time I split is when two car are side by side, unless the car is going to turn into the other car, I'm safe from some jackass pulling out of no where, if I see a gap I will NOT SPLIT incase the car next to the gap merges in without signals or anything (or checking his blind spot). If traffic is dead (red light), splitting being dangerous is ********.
We're not California, Europe or Asia, therefore unless a lot of us start making a **** ton of noise to get lane splitting legalized (which I believe will NEVER happen because even amongst our riding community people QQ and ***** about it being unsafe) the only choice for lanesplitters is to move to another continent or California (...I would not move to South America lol).
Re: Why ‘lane-splitting’ on a motorcycle is just asking for trouble
You've commented a lot about this issue. Question, what have YOU done about this issue?
Have you written to the Mister for Transport?
Have you written to your local MPP?
Have you joined a political party to try and raise the issue at a party convention?
Have you created an official petition to try and raise awareness and present to law makers?
Have you pulled research from the jurisdictions to support your points?
Have you written to the CAA or CMA to try and get additional support?
Did you ask the officer to give you the ticket so you could argue your case before the courts?
Have you done anything except go on an Internet forum and whine and complain?
油井緋色;1878522 said:
You've commented a lot about this issue. Question, what have YOU done about this issue?
Have you written to the Mister for Transport?
Have you written to your local MPP?
Have you joined a political party to try and raise the issue at a party convention?
Have you created an official petition to try and raise awareness and present to law makers?
Have you pulled research from the jurisdictions to support your points?
Have you written to the CAA or CMA to try and get additional support?
Did you ask the officer to give you the ticket so you could argue your case before the courts?
Have you done anything except go on an Internet forum and whine and complain?
Re: Why ‘lane-splitting’ on a motorcycle is just asking for trouble
Are you trying to tell us that you've done all of the above?
Are you trying to tell us that you've done all of the above?
00ninja
Well-known member
Re: Eric Lai, "Why ‘lane-splitting’ in a motorcycle is just asking for trouble"
Thanks to everyone for the response to my question. I have seen several riders of different styles of bikes (cruisers, SS's, etc) do it over the years so it's good to confirm that it is in fact illegal.
That being said, I have had the good fortune to not have been in that situation. My bike doesn't overheat very easily and I have two suits that I wear depending on the temps. If the situation arises then I'll just pull over and let the bike and myself cool off for a bit and then get back on when the traffic starts moving.
Insurance rates are already ridiculous as they are so I'm not looking to get any tickets.
Thanks to everyone for the response to my question. I have seen several riders of different styles of bikes (cruisers, SS's, etc) do it over the years so it's good to confirm that it is in fact illegal.
That being said, I have had the good fortune to not have been in that situation. My bike doesn't overheat very easily and I have two suits that I wear depending on the temps. If the situation arises then I'll just pull over and let the bike and myself cool off for a bit and then get back on when the traffic starts moving.
Insurance rates are already ridiculous as they are so I'm not looking to get any tickets.
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